Those unions watching out for their workers...

[szechuan]

nvm

 

[szechuan]

Writing ON THE WALL? If we diveded the CEO increase amongst the workers, how much longer could they have sustained themselves withjout the greed and plague of white priveledge? How sick! That guy has no idea how business works.

Ummm, no. That the CEO took money they owed to the union before leaving which is the point not the fact that what the CEO took could of sustained the factory for a little longer.

 

[MachZer0]

That's what happens after you accept or refuse the offer in the final line of the post. Do you accept more cuts? Or do you refuse and strike? Now try answering the question.

I accept it and keep my job knowing that the contract restores the wage back to where it was in just a few short years.

 

[MachZer0]

America was made great by people who refused to just accept things.

Like who?

 

[MachZer0]

That's a recipe for investing in the hands of a few potentially extraordinarily greedy individual a stranglehold over everyone else.

A hostage taker of sorts.

Perhaps if management had some "skin in the game" (ie not have thousands and thousands of extra dollars because they lined their pockets ahead of time) this wouldn't be quite so unbalanced.

It is a painful less in American Labor History that we will apparently have to re-learn. Yeah, some unions did get corrupt and went overboard.

But look at this graph and tell me that bigger greed and more systemic abuses aren't happening elsewhere:



THIS IS WHY WE NEED UNIONS EVEN TODAY.

The union put the Hostess non-workers in the category of unemployed. These are not good times to find yourself in such circumstances. And like I said, they, each and everyone, should be denied unemployment benefits

 

[TeddyReceptus]

The union put the Hostess non-workers in the category of unemployed. These are not good times to find yourself in such circumstances. And like I said, they, each and everyone, should be denied unemployment benefits

So they failed to play along with the hostage taker so they get whatever bad things that can happen to them?

Bravo! Such an enlightened view.

 

[TeddyReceptus]

Like who?

Oh, just off the top of my head: the guys who fought a war against Britain over taxation without representation.

They had a pretty good deal in that they just had to pay a little cash and in return they had all this protection from the biggest military protectors in the world at the time.

They took a risk not to take it, and it paid off. But if it hadn't I'm sure you would have been first in line to demand that they get NOTHING for their efforts!

How about the slaves who ran away? They actually had HOMES AND FOOD and in return all they had to do was work. But apparently they didn't feel that was fair, so they didn't take it.

How about the miners in Appalachia? They struck for fair wages and safer working conditions. When all along they could just have taken their paycheck and spend money at the "company store" and just 'took it'...the alternative was not only NO JOB but being shot at by Pinkertons.

What about the labor groups who secured for you:

1. The 40 hour work week
2. Elimination of child labor
3. Safe working conditions
4. Wages that would allow workers to buy "homes" and not just life in diseased tenements.

Do you like this picture?

Ever hear of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire?

How about this charming photo?

Yeah, that's radium jaw. A pretty horrible way to die I should think. The revolution in industrial hygiene that came from that was due to the fight these young women put up after getting blown off. They had to approach reform organizations to take up their cause and get industry to understand this was a workplace illness.

Gosh the stories just go on and on and on!

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Unions had their purpose 100 years ago. Now we have the Department of Labor.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Unions had their purpose 100 years ago. Now we have the Department of Labor.

Never thought I hear you advocating big government.

 

[Redac]

Never thought I hear you advocating big government.

I guess the only thing conservatives hate more than government is organized labor.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I'm not. LOL.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I guess the only thing conservatives hate more than government is organized labor.

No, both are equal. 0 = 0.

 

[Redac]

No, both are equal. 0 = 0.

Right. So would you, say, outlaw unions and allow the Department of Labor to step in on behalf of labor in the United States? Or are you really just looking to castrate labor entirely?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Right. So would you, say, outlaw unions and allow the Department of Labor to step in on behalf of labor in the United States? Or are you really just looking to castrate labor entirely?

nah, he's just marching in line with Conservative ideology:

Corporations (artificial entities) = no regulations.

Actual flesh and blood people = regulated up the wazoo.

 

[Redac]

nah, he's just marching in line with Conservative ideology:

Corporations (artificial entities) = no regulations.

Actual flesh and blood people = regulated up the wazoo.

Interestingly enough the argument for the "corporations are people" thing often involves discussions of how they're made up of individual people. Of course, the same is true of unions, but let's ignore that.

It's also funny to me how, at least in this case, one can claim that the leadership of the union is rejecting offers and destroying the company all by itself. The bakers union membership rejected the new cuts offered by management by about 95%, so it's not like some guys at the top just said "lol no" to spite everyone else.

 

[MSBS]

Interestingly enough the argument for the "corporations are people" thing often involves discussions of how they're made up of individual people. Of course, the same is true of unions, but let's ignore that.

It's also funny to me how, at least in this case, one can claim that the leadership of the union is rejecting offers and destroying the company all by itself. The bakers union membership rejected the new cuts offered by management by about 95%, so it's not like some guys at the top just said "lol no" to spite everyone else.

Sort of odd that the teamsters employees, with more members, approved the cuts.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Right. So would you, say, outlaw unions and allow the Department of Labor to step in on behalf of labor in the United States? Or are you really just looking to castrate labor entirely?

Labor =/= unions && Labor =/= DOL

 

[MachZer0]

So they failed to play along with the hostage taker so they get whatever bad things that can happen to them?

Bravo! Such an enlightened view.

Actually, the union was the extortionist in this case but didn't really hold the cards. thus, the workers who refused to work are no longer in a position to work

 

[MachZer0]

Oh, just off the top of my head: the guys who fought a war against Britain over taxation without representation.

They had a pretty good deal in that they just had to pay a little cash and in return they had all this protection from the biggest military protectors in the world at the time.

They took a risk not to take it, and it paid off. But if it hadn't I'm sure you would have been first in line to demand that they get NOTHING for their efforts!

How about the slaves who ran away? They actually had HOMES AND FOOD and in return all they had to do was work. But apparently they didn't feel that was fair, so they didn't take it.

How about the miners in Appalachia? They struck for fair wages and safer working conditions. When all along they could just have taken their paycheck and spend money at the "company store" and just 'took it'...the alternative was not only NO JOB but being shot at by Pinkertons.

What about the labor groups who secured for you:

1. The 40 hour work week
2. Elimination of child labor
3. Safe working conditions
4. Wages that would allow workers to buy "homes" and not just life in diseased tenements.

Do you like this picture?

Ever hear of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire?

How about this charming photo?

Yeah, that's radium jaw. A pretty horrible way to die I should think. The revolution in industrial hygiene that came from that was due to the fight these young women put up after getting blown off. They had to approach reform organizations to take up their cause and get industry to understand this was a workplace illness.

Gosh the stories just go on and on and on!

As the stories go on, perhaps you could find one that's actually relevant to the discussion

 

[[serious]]

As the stories go on, perhaps you could find one that's actually relevant to the discussion

Those are pretty relevant.