Those unions watching out for their workers...

[MachZer0]

When will our liberal friends report that Hostess also offered to increase wages back to the current level over a few years?

 

[MachZer0]

Are those unions watching out for their workers? I have worked in unions for the last three decades. One thing I know for sure is the unions are not looking out for the workers. They are looking out for themselves, the more money the workers make the more the union gangsters make.

Unions are more about political power than they are about protecting the workers.

 

[[serious]]

When will our liberal friends report that Hostess also offered to increase wages back to the current level over a few years?

You think hostess was going to be around until then? You should have a talk with this guy:

When you are making a product tat people no longer want, you go out of business. That appears to be what is happening to Hostess.

 

[kermit]

When will our liberal friends report that Hostess also offered to increase wages back to the current level over a few years?

So the offer was, execs get lavish raises, while the workers get back to their current salaries in a few years...maybe.

 

[TLK Valentine]

When will our liberal friends report that Hostess also offered to increase wages back to the current level over a few years?

All those who believe them, stand on your head...

 

[dies-l]

Interesting that you picked Little Debbie, a family bakery that employs nonunion workers

An interesting fact that is nonetheless irrelevant to the point that I am making.

Personally I am not a big fan of unions. But, I am not big fan of mismanaged companies scapegoating their workers when the effects of mismanagement come to fruition.

The biggest problem that Hostess faced is that they made snack cakes that were dry, waxy, flavorless, and overpriced. Only one of those could even conceivably be credited to union labor. And that one point has been thoroughly discredited in this thread.

 

[MachZer0]

You think hostess was going to be around until then? You should have a talk with this guy:

The contract offered may very possibly have saved the company at least for a time.

 

[MachZer0]

An interesting fact that is nonetheless irrelevant to the point that I am making.

Personally I am not a big fan of unions. But, I am not big fan of mismanaged companies scapegoating their workers when the effects of mismanagement come to fruition.

The biggest problem that Hostess faced is that they made snack cakes that were dry, waxy, flavorless, and overpriced. Only one of those could even conceivably be credited to union labor. And that one point has been thoroughly discredited in this thread.

I don't see how the union status is irrelevant since it is the union strike being blamed for the liquidation of the company and you actually proved the point by comparing a non union company that seems to be doing OK

 

[MachZer0]

All those who believe them, stand on your head...

Perhaps you can provide reasons they shouldn't be believed

 

[MachZer0]

So the offer was, execs get lavish raises, while the workers get back to their current salaries in a few years...maybe.

As noted earlier, the execs had their salaries reduced to $1, a level hundreds of times lower than the laborers

 

[Redac]

When will our liberal friends report that Hostess also offered to increase wages back to the current level over a few years?

Yes, those Hostess workers should thank the management profusely that they would deign to let the common man return to his previous wage in a few years time.

/sarcasm

 

[MachZer0]

Yes, those Hostess workers should thank the management profusely that they would deign to let the common man return to his previous wage in a few years time.

/sarcasm

Noting the current situation the workers are in, yes, they should have been thankful for the offer.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Perhaps you can provide reasons they shouldn't be believed

Well, let's start with past performance -- they gave themselves massive raises after declaring bankruptcy (again!) while cutting off their employees' pension. Nothing about that scenario indicates a desire to do any kind of genuine good for the folks actually doing the work.

Although, in all fairness, they could've at least split the difference -- the employees go back to their original salaries --- and so does management.

 

[MachZer0]

Well, let's start with past performance -- they gave themselves massive raises after declaring bankruptcy (again!) while cutting off their employees' pension. Nothing about that scenario indicates a desire to do any kind of genuine good for the folks actually doing the work.

Although, in all fairness, they could've at least split the difference -- the employees go back to their original salaries --- and so does management.

There were 4 execs who got raises and subsequent drastic cuts

 

[Redac]

Noting the current situation the workers are in, yes, they should have been thankful for the offer.

[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-poor, greedy management brings the company to its knees, and they decide the way out is to try to shaft the workers by cutting pay and pensions. The workers say enough is enough and overwhelmingly reject the offered contract, and management responds by liquidating the whole company. What, do you expect them to keep taking more and more cuts while the company itself refuses to do anything to make itself financially viable? At some point labor has to take a stand.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There were 4 execs who got raises and subsequent drastic cuts

drastic cuts after drastic raises -- color me unimpressed.

 

[MachZer0]

poor, greedy management brings the company to its knees, and they decide the way out is to try to shaft the workers by cutting pay and pensions. The workers say enough is enough and overwhelmingly reject the offered contract, and management responds by liquidating the whole company. What, do you expect them to keep taking more and more cuts while the company itself refuses to do anything to make itself financially viable? At some point labor has to take a stand.

Seems to me that the company was brought to it's knees by workers who refused to work.

 

[MachZer0]

drastic cuts after drastic raises -- color me unimpressed.

Color me unsurprised

 

[Redac]

Seems to me that the company was brought to it's knees by workers who refused to work.

Why do you think they tried to cut wages and benefits even further? They didn't do it for [blesses] and giggles, they did it because the company was being severely mishandled. Labor is not the cause of poor management.

 

[MachZer0]

Why do you think they tried to cut wages and benefits even further? They didn't do it for [blesses] and giggles, they did it because the company was being severely mishandled. Labor is not the cause of poor management.

I don't have any reason to believe the company was "mishandled", but I do find it a mishandling by union representatives to go on strike against a company already in bankruptcy