A step too far by Stonewall

[Cjwinnit]

Has anyone called Stonewall bigoted?

Cranmer

 

[David Brider]

Cranmer

And on what basis does he accuse them of bigotry? The fact that they call others out on bigotry doesn't make them bigoted, y'know...

 

[Cjwinnit]

And on what basis does he accuse them of bigotry?

Ask him yourself.

 

[DavePotter]

If man marries man and woman marries woman then we will all cease to exist..... now that is a fact....

 

[Genersis]

If man marries man and woman marries woman then we will all cease to exist..... now that is a fact....

If you live in another dimension where everyone did such, maybe.
But then if that was the norm in that dimension, things would probably work differently to make it a non-issue.

 

[David Brider]

If man marries man and woman marries woman then we will all cease to exist..... now that is a fact....

Marriage =/= reproduction.

And besides, legalising same-sex marriage won't mean that everybody will want to get married to someone of the same sex as themselves. It's just making the option available for the 5% or so of the population who might be interested.

 

[Cjwinnit]

Marriage =/= reproduction.

Marriage = well-adjusted children who contribute to society.

 

[Genersis]

Marriage = well-adjusted children who contribute to society.

Actually, I think it more of Children who don't don't grow up with family issues are more likely to grow into an adult with less emotional baggage.

 

[David Brider]

Marriage = well-adjusted children who contribute to society.

In some cases yes. Not in all, by any means.

But if you're going to argue that marriage = well-adjusted children, that would be an argument *for* same-sex marriage, since it would suggest that any children whom married same-sex couples either adopt or conceive through artificial means will grow up to be well-adjusted.

Just, as Tulc would say, sayin'.

 

[Gadarene]

If man marries man and woman marries woman then we will all cease to exist..... now that is a fact....

Er.....nope. Still ways to reproduce.

 

[welshman]

Maybe Stonewall can turn their attention to "all-female gym" businesses such as Curves. I don't think they would put pressure on them if I wanted to join such a gym, even though I "can't help the way I was born". Same argument. Yet, conveniently; there is one rule for one and one rule for another.

 

[Skavau]

Maybe Stonewall can turn their attention to "all-female gym" businesses such as Curves. I don't think they would put pressure on them if I wanted to join such a gym, even though I "can't help the way I was born". Same argument. Yet, conveniently; there is one rule for one and one rule for another.

If all gyms prevented men from joining, you'd have a point here.

 

[welshman]

That is not the point. The point is that the Christian couple who hired out their home as a bed and breakfast didn't want gay couples there. And that in the eyes of Stonewall and the media was wrong. Yet, they could have gone wherever they wanted to stay. Plenty of other hotels etc. in the area.

If I used the same argument in wanting to join an "all-female" gym, I would be laughed out of the door.

One rule for one. One rule for another.

 

[Skavau]

That is not the point. The point is that the Christian couple who hired out their home as a bed and breakfast didn't want gay couples there. And that in the eyes of Stonewall and the media was wrong. Yet, they could have gone wherever they wanted to stay. Plenty of other hotels etc. in the area.

Oh we're talking about that and not his comments on gay marriage. You weren't clear.

 

[King Mob]

Actually, I think it more of Children who don't don't grow up with family issues are more likely to grow into an adult with less emotional baggage.

Absolutely, why insist that a child should adhere to a particular belief or non-belief?

Let them develop, and when the time is right they will make the choice.

Spoon feeding children the beliefs of the parents is similar to force feeding geese.

 

[savedbygrace05]

Absolutely, why insist that a child should adhere to a particular belief or non-belief?

Let them develop, and when the time is right they will make the choice.

Spoon feeding children the beliefs of the parents is similar to force feeding geese.

But how can they make the right choice if truth is withheld from him/her?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

But how can they make the right choice if truth is withheld from him/her?

That same question applies to children in any environment. We are all guilty of withholding or spinning information so that we present our personal version of truth, and that is what children get.

 

[savedbygrace05]

That same question applies to children in any environment. We are all guilty of withholding or spinning information so that we present our personal version of truth, and that is what children get.

No, cannot agree with you there. The younger generation have greater access to greater amounts of info at a very early age via the internet. The problem is that they are being deprived of real truth that only Christianity provides thru God's Holy Word.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Maybe Stonewall can turn their attention to "all-female gym" businesses such as Curves. I don't think they would put pressure on them if I wanted to join such a gym, even though I "can't help the way I was born". Same argument. Yet, conveniently; there is one rule for one and one rule for another.

You are quite right. The government have excepted these gyms from anti-discrimination laws, and I also see no good reason for that exception being granted. But that doesn't mean anyone else should be granted such an exception, it means we should review the exception that has been granted in this instance.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

No, cannot agree with you there. The younger generation have greater access to greater amounts of info at a very early age via the internet. The problem is that they are being deprived of real truth that only Christianity provides thru God's Holy Word.

You make my point perfectly. Thank you