Was Obama's election God's will?

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If anything, this forum is pushing me further from religion. The intolerance and hatred we see here on a daily basis is staggering.
Well, you hate God and don't tolerate His message on a daily basis! You will soon stagger without Him.
To answer your other question about Bachman and Perry, God didn't appoint them.
 
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Romans 13:1-7 NIV - Submission to Governing Authorities - Bible Gateway

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
 
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Maybe God cares about the poor and how we treat them? :)

Yes and the more we get of Obama, the more people join the ranks of the poor and the more for God to care about. Makes perfect sense.
 
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"One person was charged with public intoxication and another with failure to comply with police orders."

So it's Obama's fault that you can't be drunk or tell off a cop?
I don't think Jeff was actually saying that. I could have misread it, but he seemed to be agreeing with Illuminaughty that it wasn't the end of the world and that he hoped drunken protests shouting racial abuse didn't continue.
 
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Why would Obama be God's will?
God is sovereign, which means that everything is under His control. It doesn't mean that He causes man to sin and perpetrate evil, but within His overall purpose and plan, He allows evil things and evil people, such as Hitler. There's a time for war and a time for peace ... well the war of all wars is coming and after a time of peace for a thousands years without sin ... something to hope for (much more than the hope & change Obama promised!)
God allows evil and in fact since the beginning, it was necessary to really understand what good is. It was part of the plan. We wouldn't really know and understand the attributes of God such as: love, peace, joy, patience, goodness, kindness, hope, faith, self control, etc unless we experienced their opposites. People saw God's mercy, faith, grace, love and provisions after the earthquake in Haiti for instance. Left to themselves, steeped in voodoo and poverty, marginal help was seen because of so much sin and corruption. An earthquake shook up the place and got the world's attention and help came ... the gospel came and lives have been changed. And so we see the stories of good and evil throughout history, lessons from God. We know God and appreciate Him because of the historical evidence of His love and grace.
If you know God, give Him thanks for all He has done for you.
 
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Yes and the more we get of Obama, the more people join the ranks of the poor and the more for God to care about. Makes perfect sense.
Maybe the biblical principle is to him who has more will be given. Now the US government tried doing that with the Bush tax cuts, all the people who already had loads of money were given more. But what it really gave them load and loads of poor people and an ever widening gap between rich and poor. Then God let the economics of greed crash itself, and the country with so many poor was left with many many more, until Americans could not ignore the problem any more.
 
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Obama is not part of God's will.

Don't see why not. Regardless of what you personally may think of Obama as a President, God is sovereign AIUI, and who is in power in various nations is down to Him.
 
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Maybe the biblical principle is to him who has more will be given. Now the US government tried doing that with the Bush tax cuts, all the people who already had loads of money were given more. But what it really gave them load and loads of poor people and an ever widening gap between rich and poor. Then God let the economics of greed crash itself, and the country with so many poor was left with many many more, until Americans could not ignore the problem any more.

If the Bush tax cuts were so unkind to the poor why did our current President champion extending them? If they were only for the rich why does he insist that only a very few of them should not go forward? I would urge the President to stop harming the poor with the Bush tax cuts and let them all expire.
 
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Concerning the election, I said to myself that if the Lord tarries, then I would prefer Mitt Romney, but not my will Lord, your will be done. We have to ask, was Obama’s election God’s will? I’ll get back to that.
About the economy, is Obama responsible for our sluggish economy? They say no! Four years later, they still blame it on Bush. But was Bush also responsible for the failing economies of the rest of the world as well? You can say if we go down the rest of the world does too but it kind of happened simultaneously didn’t it?
I’m going to paint a bigger picture. God has judged the world economies because of their greed and He allowed the Beast to take a big bite of one third of it’s monetary worth and spit it out. Why? We can all point our fingers at the Oil companies, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack, Wall Street, the government unions and their entitlements, Enron and guys like Bernie Madoff. Notice how all their secret sins have been exposed and brought to justice.
The bottom line is this: God is in control, He is sovereign and He does have a plan. He’s allowing all these things to happen for a reason. We pride ourselves on achievement, prosperity, creativity and our capitalistic machine that made this country great. Half of us pride ourselves when we elect a president of our choice and the other half blame the candidate and/or themselves for doing something wrong. The truth is, that God appoints all the leaders. “Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.” Romans 13:1 NASB
Some people think that we can control our destinies in every detail but without God we can do nothing. A man plans his heart and the Lord directs His steps and so we do participate in His overall plan but here’s the clincher, He’ll influence us to go certain ways that lead towards what our ultimate destiny really is. And that is reconciliation of lost souls to Himself and to put an end to sin. We put a lot of weight on our shoulders when it comes to the prosperous destiny of our great nation. Did Obama summon Hurricane Sandy to slam into the east coast so he could come to their aid and look good? Was that an unfortunate coincidence that worked in his favor? It wasn’t a coincidence, and nothing significant in life happens by chance. “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28 NASB If you believe that, than every event in your life happens for the best, including Obama getting elected!
You will struggle with what I am about to say, but it’s over, we’re done! The United States had a nice run for four hundred years starting from 1607, when a cross was planted on Virginia Beach and then this land was dedicated to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! It’s not just a financial cliff we're approaching, it’s bigger than that. The fullness of the gentile era has just about reached its apex and that includes the entire world. Judgment has started but these are just the beginnings of birth pangs. I won’t go into details, you should know them, but I will tell you that we are approaching the most stressful times that anyone has every seen. The Great Tribulation Period, spoken of in the book of Revelation and in numerous other books of the bible is on the horizon. Specifically, human history as we know it will come to an end. The central vortex of trouble is centered in Israel. Wars and hatred in this region began thousands of years ago. And now, the Muslim spring is no coincidence. The Muslim Brotherhood is organizing while Iran is developing nuclear weapons and they will unite. A ten nation Muslim Alliance is a manifestation of the Beast that will attack Israel.
Can you see now why Obama has been instrumental in allowing these things to develop? Obama is not for Israel and the Biblical prophecies say that all nations will come against Israel. You can struggle with our destiny, how harmful Obama is for the U.S. and try to search for ways to recover from the mess he got us into but fear not, God has a plan. He didn’t intend for us to live in a sinful world forever. You must realize that we can’t solve world hunger and create world peace and prosper with sin in the world. He will put down sin and evil and usher in a New Millennium when He returns. He is coming! After the wars are over, then we will experience true world peace. There won’t be anymore division or politics to talk about, only harmony and unity with one KING of pure heart and mind, Jesus!

I just love when people talk about the end of the world!

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Obama is not part of God's will.

Who are you to say what God's will is or isn't? I believe everything that happens would have to be according to God's will, otherwise he isn't really doing his job, is he?
 
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Obama is not part of God's will.

And yet he's been both elected and re-elected. if he's not part of God's will, that makes the score Obama:2; God:0.
 
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If the Bush tax cuts were so unkind to the poor why did our current President champion extending them? If they were only for the rich why does he insist that only a very few of them should not go forward? I would urge the President to stop harming the poor with the Bush tax cuts and let them all expire.

Because he isn't a liberal.
 
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