God math (what is it? how does it work?)

[Gottservant]

Hi there!

I thought I would throw this out in the philosophy forum since there is no math forum and it is still at the metaphysical stage of conceptualization anyway...

GOD MATH

How does it work? Wait! What is it? ...And how does it work?

Is it not the key to everything? Or perhaps the subtraction of everything?

Interested to hear an opinion on how the inclusion of math in relation to God changes how God relates to us - but will gladly hear how God changes in relation to math...

(PS. I am a writer, not a mathematician... so apologies and warnings in advance, for shallow replies and frustrating lack of comprehension of mathematical principles - I will nevertheless endeavour to understand)

PPS. Since this thread has had recent attention, I will add food for thought, in the event that there is not enough constructive contribution to keep momentum up:

I do not believe God works by equals. I believe God rests by equals. For God is no respecter of persons. Therefore, God is able to use equals when He wants, in accordance with rules that keep the function of His mathematics from coming to pieces. Discuss?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Mathesis is greek root of term meaning knowing before hand. According to heidegger. So maybe prophecy is intuitive mathesis. Also jesus teachings are mathematological too some degree. Good tree good fruit. House on firm ground lasts. Darwinian vine and branches. Bad or unwise on fire but wisdom defined as lively vital so hint of figurative tautology. These could be religious analytic truths the black sheep of science.

 

[Gadarene]

So you don't answer the question of "what is god math?" despite claiming that it exists, and in spite of it being an apparently made-up term - and then expect us to discuss it?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Charming. Blessings from the east of eden where the first abacuses were made. I think maybe god could have defined number systems and operations differently and ourc sense of the discovery of math is really a trick of the trade. But if god is one La illaha illa anta sheema yisrael ... Then maybe not?

 

[Gottservant]

To be honest, I really don't know how to define it.

Maybe it is a system that you use to boil things down to one number, and always that number and when you get to that number, you say "Praise God for His number!"

See? Totally lacking in context. I wouldn't speak before people with mathematical experience answer... normally... but you insist (for some reason).

 

[Gadarene]

To be honest, I really don't know how to define it.

Maybe it is a system that you use to boil things down to one number, and always that number and when you get to that number, you say "Praise God for His number!"

See? Totally lacking in context. I wouldn't speak before people with mathematical experience answer... normally... but you insist (for some reason).

Wise, but if it doesn't actually allow you to define your subject of discussion, then there can be no discussion.

 

[KCfromNC]

The tags save this thread. Almost.

 

[jayem]

Here's a simple mathematical formula to define Christianity:


AG/3 - LJ + G2 = C


Start with the Abrahamic God, divide by 3, subtract all the Jewish legalisms, add in salvation by God part 2, and the result is Christianity.

 

[Gadarene]

Here's a simple mathematical formula to define Christianity:


AG/3 - LJ + G2 = C


Start with the Abrahamic God, divide by 3, subtract all the Jewish legalisms, add in salvation by God part 2, and the result is Christianity.

Oh, I think you forgot the pagan symbolism coefficient, or maybe we could just combine it into some overall 'rip-off factor'.

 

[jayem]

Oh, I think you forgot the pagan symbolism coefficient, or maybe we could just combine it into some overall 'rip-off factor'.

I'm open to any modifications/corrections of my equation.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Lol thats gemera for im hellbound. Eta oops thats gematria (sp?)

 

[Gottservant]

Here's a simple mathematical formula to define Christianity:


AG/3 - LJ + G2 = C


Start with the Abrahamic God, divide by 3, subtract all the Jewish legalisms, add in salvation by God part 2, and the result is Christianity.

Hmmm... interesting, was not expecting that at all.

I guess you can lampoon anything, with the right formula.

 

[WonderBeat]

We live in a world where we know 2+2 equals five...

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I am serious I think that some of the parables and examples in the bible are tautologous.

For example the vine and the branches can be seen as mirroring survival and extinction of either people on the biological scale or of adaptive behavior on the psychological one. The good flourish and are rewarded by the Father (the tree of good conduct beards the fruit of success) and the maladaptive branches of the 'tree' of culture or personal conduct are cut off by the Father and burnt in the fire (of suffering due to being maligned, or of non-being due to not having the blessing of children or not being memetically replicated). Replace "Father" with "natural selection" and you have a Darwinian or evolutionalry psychological reading of the parable. Just as the Father selects the good for Jesus, so does nature select the "fittest" for Darwin. And as we know (or I think we know) evolution is tautologous, or true by definition like 1+1=2. So the blessing of the righteous is in a loose sense the religious version of the survival of the fittest. In fact in the Bible IIRC life is equated with wisdom and children are seen as a blessing. So just as we can know beforehand (in a calculating fashion) that it will be the fittest that survive, than we can also know from a Biblical perspective that it will be the righteous that survive, at least survive as Christians in social, kin and neural networks. Meaning in part that in personal faith evolution (changes or endurances of belief over time) the good tree for Jesus, or the good branch of the tree of human culture and belief, will always be the one that believes in Him and endures temporally. When Jesus proclaimed himself way, truth and life I think this is a metaphor for not only existential survival and replicaiton, but existential success in the face or there being alternatives of valuing or despairing of life even if one survives biologically, Jesus' way being defined a priori as life in the full, blessedness, success in the face of being - the possibility of existential affirmation - rather than conventional material standards like money or clothing. Jesus was not only pro life but pro being (the knigdom of heaven, within, is ultimately a love of being rather than externals such as castles, moneyy, clothinge etc which are only auxilliary). IIRC historians note that early Christianity proved to be adaptive in the face of disease because altruistic love of neighbour and an ethos of care proved to enchance group survival chances. In this sense I think that Christianity can be viewed mathematically as in spirit an adaptive stratergy that promotes and enhances human life, where righteousness is at least a possible subset of total adaptive behaviour (noting that Cain survived whilst his brother did not so survival in itself does not imply virtue automatically). Yet what better health is there han to be adapted not only biologically but socially and existentuially. They are interwoven. So for me there is analogy between Christianity and evolution, and as both are loosely mathematical in some sense if I outlined them properly, then it belongs to "God math" to note it here. Replace math with true by definition, analytic, known a priori and you get my drift. The "living vine" is a Christianised stem of evolving human culture that replicates across generations in old soil and new (traditional Christian families and groups and in new converts who form the good branches bearing fruit Jesus talks of)...and it is at least suggestive of its implicit evolutionary dimension though figurative metaphor of the secular evolutionary tree. Thus as I see ethics as in part embodied in personal adaptive stratergies, (e.g. "my way is thus") and such stratergies aking to lifeforms (as they are adapted "entities" as conduct rule sets), Jesus being "in us" and us living "in Him" is seems as the continuation of the memetic life form Christianity as his way endures though us. It is just a shame that not judging, and that turning the other cheek etc might in some environs be detrimantal rather than adaptive. So maybe it is the spirit of the law - if I picture it rightly - that actually counts rather than the letter as disclosed in another environment in another land 2000 years ago? Christianity is essentially about a cetain kind of success.

 

[Blayz]

I'm open to any modifications/corrections of my equation.

I think you need to add in Dn, a denominational fudge factor.

 

[mmksparbud]

I have nom answers--all I know is that God loves math. Everything is no precise--so far from the sun and no closer or we fry--temperature of the earth to be within certain limits or the ice caps melt, the sea currents change, the bees, the ants and all the other creatures seem to have a built in mathematical system for their own individual survival, the planets, the galaxies all within certain equations---unfortuneately---I've always hated math!! I am awed by it, but it goes over my feeble brain. I hated those long mathametical problems---like---The train from Chicago left at 3:30 pm and the New York train left at 5pm, what day would the Los Angeles train crash into the Baltimore train---Are you kidding me???--I would sit and stare at these and never could figure out what they wanted! It was always the little Japanese guy that got them all right!! How I wished I had half his brain!

 

[juvenissun]

Here's a simple mathematical formula to define Christianity:


AG/3 - LJ + G2 = C


Start with the Abrahamic God, divide by 3, subtract all the Jewish legalisms, add in salvation by God part 2, and the result is Christianity.

A major modification:

AG*3 - LJ + G2 = C

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I have nom answers--all I know is that God loves math. Everything is no precise--so far from the sun and no closer or we fry--temperature of the earth to be within certain limits or the ice caps melt, the sea currents change,

Given the number of planets in the universe, it's inevitable that one would just so happen to have the right conditions for life to form. We, being introspective creatures asking the question, must necessarily find ourselves on one such planet. Lo and behold, here we are.

the bees, the ants and all the other creatures seem to have a built in mathematical system for their own individual survival, the planets, the galaxies all within certain equations---unfortuneately---I've always hated math!!

Then you're missing one of the most sublime beauties of this world.

I am awed by it, but it goes over my feeble brain. I hated those long mathametical problems---like---The train from Chicago left at 3:30 pm and the New York train left at 5pm, what day would the Los Angeles train crash into the Baltimore train---Are you kidding me???--I would sit and stare at these and never could figure out what they wanted! It was always the little Japanese guy that got them all right!! How I wished I had half his brain!

How racist.

 

[mmksparbud]

Given the number of planets in the universe, it's inevitable that one would just so happen to have the right conditions for life to form. We, being introspective creatures asking the question, must necessarily find ourselves on one such planet. Lo and behold, here we are.


Then you're missing one of the most sublime beauties of this world.


How racist.

Racist my foot! I liked that little guy--he was in grade school--in high school there was another little Japanese kid that was awesome, he was in the 4th grade in my senior year--He would come in and talk to the senior science teacher (though highly gifted and read college level books, his parents felt he needed the children of his own age to play with. He'd tire of their prattle and come talk to the science teacher--I came in right after he left one day and the teacher looked at me and said, that kid is so far above me that half the time I have no idea what he's saying!
He rode the bus home and one day we all watched as he went into this beautiful house with an immaculate garden and knocked on the door, his mother answered the door, and he very politely bowed---the whole bus freaked out!! Did you see that?? Everyone was asking, he bowed, that is sooo cute--he bowed---we all just ran into our houses and maybe said hello to our folks before diving into bed, changing our clothes and running out to play--It made us feel very impolite. nHe was cute as a button.

 

[leftrightleftrightleft]

How racist.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not

With regards to the OP:

I am always impressed again and again when I come across formula after formula that is so eloquent and simple. I am currently learning about group velocities and nodes in wave propagation where the velocity of the wave depends on frequency. And you end up with this pretty figure that is described mathematically in such a simple way.

I'm also always impressed when you derive an equation and have to make everything very complex and jump through all these hurdles and then suddenly, like magic, it all drops away and turns into something brilliantly simple. For example, Snell's Law seems to drop out of everything all the time when dealing with waves. Its like everywhere I look is another Snell's Law derivation!

And I'm also always impressed at the role of constants in equations. The Rydberg Constant is always the one that blows my mind. Composed of 5 different, seemingly unrelated, constants and thus describes the hydrogen spectral series (1st and simplest element).

But whatevs...I'm just a big nerd.