Why do bad things happen to good people?

[funtimes]

Can you actually support your claim that "nothing just happens" with a scripture referrence?

Luke 12:7

7But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

This passage is talking about the Pharisees and their hypocrisy. Jesus is making a point of our worth. Our Creator knows each and every one of us so well that he knows the number of hairs on our heads. Which means he knows what we say and what we do when we think others aren't watching. Our God cares.

Matthew 10:29

29For only a penny you can buy two sparrows, yet not one sparrow falls to the ground without your Father's consent. 30As for you even the hairs of tour head have all been counted. 31So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows!

If we were to guess how much hair we were going to lose each day how would we have any time left to sit and pray and tell God we're okay.

 

[timewerx]

People born sick, or in homeless families or in Africa with aides is karma.

If you are not one of them, you are then commanded to sell your possessions and give the proceeds to them. You are to live as poor according to Jesus. Giving freely to those who had none, until you are poor yourself... You can't be a true Christian and remain in a nice house, nice car, lots of possessions...

...If you really believe in what you're saying, you should be dead scared if you're living in a nice house with all the nice things in it, your 'karma' will be worse than those people you condemn with bad karma.

 

[funtimes]

If you are not one of them, you are then commanded to sell your possessions and give the proceeds to them. You are to live as poor according to Jesus. Giving freely to those who had none, until you are poor yourself... You can't be a true Christian and remain in a nice house, nice car, lots of possessions...

...If you really believe in what you're saying, you should be dead scared if you're living in a nice house with all the nice things in it, your 'karma' will be worse than those people you condemn with bad karma.

God's promise is to make you rich if you obey His Laws...Isaiah 1:19, Deuteronomy 8:18
Only love of money is a sin.

 

[timewerx]

God's promise is to make you rich if you obey His Laws...Isaiah 1:19, Deuteronomy 8:18

Let's include the nearby verses as well:

Isaiah 1:17-20

Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.[a]
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow. 18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.


First, you are being disobedient to the blue verse due to the things you have said in this thread so far to condemn the poor, the orphans, widows, oppressed instead of defending them and choosing to keep your wealth, instead of give it to them.

Red verse is not here on Earth. That is the reward for losing your life for God/dying in righteousness. Most Christians will not get this reward for the thought they will get rich here on Earth.

Green verse is the fate of those who die in sin. The 'sword' is the truth, the Word set by Jesus - no one comes to the Father but through Jesus. The Sword (Truth) will devour (Judge) you for it will expose your wickedness. This is the fate of most ignorant Christians and the rest of the world will go.


Deuteronomy 8:17-18

17 You may say to yourself, “My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.”18 But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth

Verse 18 In that verse, it is only said "to produce wealth". Nothing in there says to also "keep wealth" you produced.

Verse 17 It's not through your hard and honest work, you got yourself good things/wealth. But through God. What are you going to do with those?

It's not just power, and not just for 'Christians only'. In fact, even unbelievers, their abilities to produce wealth and rule over people comes from God (example: Pontius Pilate)

here's what to do with your wealth:

Luke 12:33

Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys

If such riches can be stolen or be destroyed then it's no riches, that's garbage. If your riches is here on Earth, then it's garbage, it amounts to nothing.

Also in Luke 12:33, can you honestly say that Jesus is condemning the poor? Do you know why there are so many poor, thousands dying everyday of hunger? Do you know who should be responsible for them but instead, neglecting them through satanically-inspired interpretation of the bible?

Only love of money is a sin.

If you don't love money, then give it to those who had none or desperately needs it more.

There's no point in keeping things to yourself that you don't love like rotting garbage.

 

[Ran77]

Luke 12:7

7But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

This passage is talking about the Pharisees and their hypocrisy. Jesus is making a point of our worth. Our Creator knows each and every one of us so well that he knows the number of hairs on our heads. Which means he knows what we say and what we do when we think others aren't watching. Our God cares.

This does state that God is very aware of us. It does not state that nothing happens by accident though.

Matthew 10:29

29For only a penny you can buy two sparrows, yet not one sparrow falls to the ground without your Father's consent. 30As for you even the hairs of tour head have all been counted. 31So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows!

If we were to guess how much hair we were going to lose each day how would we have any time left to sit and pray and tell God we're okay.

Are you suggesting that the only reason people don't sit around all day and count the hairs on their head is because God already does it? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Also, it doesn't really address my question. It doesn't imply that nothing happens by accident. So, maybe I'm missing your point here.

 

[Ran77]

Sowing and reaping is karma.

I thought sowing and reaping was farming.

 

[funtimes]

This does state that God is very aware of us. It does not state that nothing happens by accident though.




Are you suggesting that the only reason people don't sit around all day and count the hairs on their head is because God already does it? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Also, it doesn't really address my question. It doesn't imply that nothing happens by accident. So, maybe I'm missing your point here.

Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show that God controls everything that happens to us as karma.

 

[he-man]

There are a variety of sources for "bad things." Some are the result of choices other people make. Still others are the result of choices we ourselves make. And some are the result of choices God makes for purposes wise unto Him. Finally, I would say that some events are not the result of anyone making a choice and acting upon it - they just happen.

Your statement is without any scriptural support. The only thing that just happens is when the tares try to disrupt the plans of God. The weeds will be taken care of in due time:

Mat 13:30 Suffer both to grow together unto the harvest, and in time of the harvest I will say to the harvestmen, Gather first the weeds, and bind it into bundles to burn it; but the wheat bring together into my granary.

Mat 13:27 And the bondmen of the householder came up and said to him, Sir, hast thou not sown good seed in thy field? whence then has it weeds?
Mat 13:28 And he said to them, A man, an enemy has done this. And the bondmen said to him, Wilt thou then that we should go and gather them up?

Mat 6:13 And bring in us not to tempting, but draw us out from the wicked!

 

[barryrob]

Bad things happen because God is punishing for their sins of their past lives... Exodus 34:7

Jesus said to those He healed that if they sinned again it would be worse for them the next time... John 5:14

But:-

Good things happen to good people,
good happens to bad people,
bad happend to bad people,
bad happens to good people!!

The Bible says:-

NWT Ecclesiastes​

9:11
I returned to see under the sun that the swift do not have the race, nor the mighty ones the battle, nor do the wise also have the food, nor do the understanding ones also have the riches, nor do even those having knowledge have the favor; because time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all. ​

NET Bible Ecc. 9:11
Again, I observed this on the earth:
the race is not always won by the swiftest,
the battle is not always won by the strongest;
prosperity does not always belong to those who are the wisest,
wealth does not always belong to those who are the most discerning,
nor does success always come to those with the most knowledge –
for time and chance may overcome them all.


99.9 %, its down to time and circumstances or being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being in the right place at the right time.

rob

 

[Ran77]

Your statement is without any scriptural support. The only thing that just happens is when the tares try to disrupt the plans of God. The weeds will be taken care of in due time:

So, if you are walking down the street and trip on a crack in the sidewalk - then that is no accident or random event? Are you saying that God is repsonsible for that?

 

[Ran77]

Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show that God controls everything that happens to us as karma.

I don't see anything about karma in Leviticus 25.

 

[he-man]

But:-The Bible says:-NWT Ecclesiastes

9:11 ​

I returned to see under the sun that the swift do not have the race, nor the mighty ones the battle, nor do the wise also have the food, nor do the understanding ones also have the riches, nor do even those having knowledge have the favor; because time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all. 99.9 %, its down to time and circumstances or being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being in the right place at the right time.rob​

Sorry, but the Hebrew says:

Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong,
neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill;
but time and encounters happens to them all.

Ecc 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.

If you follow good and love your enemies the Lord will protect you from evil:

Psa_121:7 The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul

Psa 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

You must be careful and choose the Righteous God, least the Lord bring evil upon you suddenly

Num 14:35 I the LORD have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die.

Jdg_3:7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.


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[timewerx]

Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show that God controls everything that happens to us as karma.

No, it only says that your fate is about to make a turn for the worst if you keep on condemning those whom you should be making a stand for

Luckily for you, those are old covenant teachings. Doesn't apply anymore. Today, you can be wicked all you want and if you're lucky, you'll live a long and full life in abundance.

 

[he-man]

No, it only says that your fate is about to make a turn for the worst if you keep on condemning those whom you should be making a stand for

Luckily for you, those are old covenant teachings. Doesn't apply anymore. Today, you can be wicked all you want and if you're lucky, you'll live a long and full life in abundance.

I would not count my chickens before they hatch.

Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Mat 5:45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil
[πονηρους] and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Jer 17:18 Let those be put to shame who persecute me, but let me not be put to shame; let them be dismayed, but let me not be dismayed. Bring on them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.

Psa 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Who is the God in control of this whole earth?
Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

 

[Ran77]

So, if you are walking down the street and trip on a crack in the sidewalk - then that is no accident or random event? Are you saying that God is repsonsible for that?

Bump. Didn't want you to forget that this was here.

 

[Going Merry]

Good People? Where?

 

[Hillsage]

I would not count my chickens before they hatch.

Overall, I think you have given some good scriptural input he-man.



As far as KARMA is concerned. I think there is more to the creation and plan of God, than any of us may be aware of.

LUK 13:4 Or those eighteen upon whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."

 

[Soulgazer]

So, if you are walking down the street and trip on a crack in the sidewalk - then that is no accident or random event? Are you saying that God is repsonsible for that?

As the T-shirt says; Trips Happen

 

[Soulgazer]

Good People? Where?

If even Jesus denied being Good, it doesn't leave too many

 

[funtimes]

Bump. Didn't want you to forget that this was here.

If God is not involved in all our ativities, that thinking would be as Deist.
Deism is a religion where it is generally believed that God is not (wholly or in part) involved in the affairs of human history. They do believe that God created the world and everything in it. They do believe that there is one God, though they reject the trinity. However, for the most part, the Deists do not believe that God is involved with our lives. God created the world and basically gave it all that it needed to run itself. All, to the Deists, is governed by nature and natural laws. All we can know about God could be found in nature. They reject the Bible, revelations, and the like because those are man-made things invented through the superstition.
In any case the Deists believe that God is not concerned (though at various levels) with human history. Therefore, we are all headed towards whatever fate has for us and whatever our greed and superstition may take us.
This general idea about God’s relation to His creation is widespread, though not as popular as it was in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. As a matter of fact, some of the founding fathers of the United States of America were deists. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine were Deists.