Bishop Lawrence Out of the TEC

[mark46]

Bishop Lawrence is now out of The Episcopal Church. The Diocese of south Carolina is now not a part of the Episcopal Church by a previous vote of its Standing Committee triggered by the notification sent to Bishop Lawrence.

There will be an annual clergy conference in early November, as previously scheduled. There will be a convention in mid-November.

http://www.diosc.com/sys/images/documents/tec/tec_restriction_of_ministry.pdf

http://www.diosc.com/sys/index.php

 

[rhartsc]

I am sorry that this has happened as I believe that all involved will be injured. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Oh wow. I am so sorry to hear this. All of you are in my sincere prayers.

 

[rhartsc]

Yes, all are in my prayers. Hopefully a peaceful and Christian solution can be found.

 

[Cjwinnit]

Yes, all are in my prayers. Hopefully a peaceful and Christian solution can be found.

Yep.

 

[LewsTherin]

This makes me sad. Prayers for all involved.

 

[Sean611]

Well, Queen Schori gets her wish....this is a HUGE blow to TEC. If these "leaders" ran a business like they run this church then they'd all have been fired or bankrupted a long time ago.

Prayers for the all Episcopalians and Anglicans.

EDIT: After reading several articles on this story, it sounds like Bishop Lawrence tried everything within reason to stay in TEC. What a good and Godly bishop he is!

 

[rhartsc]

I can't post links yet. Can anyone post the certification of abandonment?

 

[Adam Warlock]

Here it is:

http://www.diosc.com/sys/images/documents/tec/tec_certification_of_abandonment.pdf

 

[MKJ]

Sad.

But not surprising. I think it was clear this was going to happen months ago.

 

[christseeker45]

What does this all mean? For the people in the Diocese, etc?

 

[Albion]

What does this all mean? For the people in the Diocese, etc?

The congregations remain. A tiny number of TEC loyalists will organize new parishes, while the rest of the people will continue on as before with the same bishop and probably in the same church buildings as at present. The name of the Diocese will most likely become the Anglican Diocese of South Carolina. However, the Diocese has never made common cause with the ACNA, so it would be premature to assume that it will simply take its place alongside the other four former TEC dioceses that have joined ACNA.

 

[MKJ]

The congregations remain. A tiny number of TEC loyalists will organize new parishes, while the rest of the people will continue on as before with the same bishop and probably in the same church buildings as at present. The name of the Diocese will most likely become the Anglican Diocese of South Carolina. However, the Diocese has never made common cause with the ACNA, so it would be premature to assume that it will simply take its place alongside the other four former TEC dioceses that have joined ACNA.

Here is my question though - strictly speaking, why should they have to exist outside the Communion? It isn't like they need to have a national bishop in the same way they need a bishop - the former is an administrative position and of a different character altogether from a bishop. They haven't done anything to put themselves at odds with the Communion itself, in fact are probably less in a difficult place with regard to it.

I know that this isn't how things will play out, but I find myself thinking that it is rather hard on the diocese of SC to have to leave the AC because of TEC, and really the logic doesn't seem obvious either.

 

[Albion]

Here is my question though - strictly speaking, why should they have to exist outside the Communion? It isn't like they need to have a national bishop in the same way they need a bishop - the former is an administrative position and of a different character altogether from a bishop. They haven't done anything to put themselves at odds with the Communion itself, in fact are probably less in a difficult place with regard to it.

I know that this isn't how things will play out, but I find myself thinking that it is rather hard on the diocese of SC to have to leave the AC because of TEC, and really the logic doesn't seem obvious either.

I'm not sure I follow all of that, but the Diocese didn't vote to leave or announce it was about to. That's how I understood it. The Presiding Bishop booted the Diocese and its bishop.

 

[MKJ]

I'm not sure I follow all of that, but the Diocese didn't vote to leave or announce it was about to. That's how I understood it. The Presiding Bishop booted the Diocese and its bishop.

Yeah, that's what I understand. I guess it just seems to me that it is odd that TEC, which is in something of an impaired situation itself, gets to arbitrate whether the diocese of SC gets to be part of the Communion, when SC is actually opposing a lot of the things that are causing the trouble with TEC.

The AC really should be stepping in. It puts the people of SC in a terrible position to have to choose between a good bishop in line with the thinking of the Communion and the AC itself.

 

[Adam Warlock]

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[Anna Scott]

Bishop Lawrence is now out of The Episcopal Church. The Diocese of south Carolina is now not a part of the Episcopal Church by a previous vote of its Standing Committee triggered by the notification sent to Bishop Lawrence.

There will be an annual clergy conference in early November, as previously scheduled. There will be a convention in mid-November.

http://www.diosc.com/sys/images/documents/tec/tec_restriction_of_ministry.pdf

Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina

Here it is:

http://www.diosc.com/sys/images/documents/tec/tec_certification_of_abandonment.pdf

Well, this is all very disturbing. I don't even know what to say.

 

[elahmine]

Here's so more info:

SC diocese finally breaks with Episcopal Church - SFGate

Apparently, while Bishop Lawrence didn't formally secede from TEC, he allowed a vote to reject TEC's authority, and a couple of other things. Apparently the investigation was started by a dozen of those in the parishes complained.

Sad situation.

 

[Sean611]

What's really sad about this is that renegade leaders are running roughshod over anybody or anyone who disagrees with them or gets in the way.

Below is a link to survey of TEC (page 6). What's amazing is the theological liberalism vs. conservativism survey. According to the 2010 survey, 41% is moderate, 24% somewhat liberal, 23% somewhat conservative, 5% very liberal, and 7% very conservative. The views of the leaders only represent a very very small minority of the overall church.

The moderate majority needs to wake up to what is happening in this church.

http://archive.episcopalchurch.org/documents/Episcopal_Overview_FACT_2010.pdf

 

[MKJ]

What's really sad about this is that renegade leaders are running roughshod over anybody or anyone who disagrees with them or gets in the way.

Below is a link to survey of TEC (page 6). What's amazing is the theological liberalism vs. conservativism survey. According to the 2010 survey, 41% is moderate, 24% somewhat liberal, 23% somewhat conservative, 5% very liberal, and 7% very conservative. The views of the leaders only represent a very very small minority of the overall church.

The moderate majority needs to wake up to what is happening in this church.

http://archive.episcopalchurch.org/documents/Episcopal_Overview_FACT_2010.pdf

Can you expand on what you mean? What you think is happening and what the moderates need to wake up to? I can think of a few different things you might mean.