Survival of the Fittest: An Interesting Side Effect of Death

[Greg1234]

Darwinism and abiogenesis aren't a problem for salvation.

Because they, like those naturalistic origins theories of the past, will not be substituted for Creationism and the directions handed down for the salvation of souls influencing the physical.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

I see you do not have a faith icon next to your name. I tell you, in a friendly spirit, that this area of Christianforums is for Christians only. Those that run the website have defined "Christian" that you have to adhere to the Nicene Creed. Part of the Nicene Creed states "And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God ... being of one substance with the Father "

The poster is likely Christian being that they posted a passage from Romans and is arguing for YECism.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

these are all generations until the coming of Jesus counted in reverse order from Joseph till the first man Adam

Adama is the Hebrew word for earth. Accordingly, that is where the name Adam came from because that is where man came from (albeit through evolution), which later becomes noted as man.

Before the lineage, there was mankind but the men were not needed to be known, only their fall.
The story of Eden is almost entirely metaphorical. The Serpent, for example, is simply a symbol for the fallen angel. He fell from grace, and crawled on his belly (cast down to the Earth). Hence the metaphor.

 

[jilfe]

How can Christians get so mislead in the worlds philosophies, about the subject of origins of life, when you have to start making assumptions against the Biblical text about whats metaphors and what can be taken literally, now I see why it is so important to be trained by God's Holy Spirit, to stay grounded in His Word, because the Bible says

t:24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

so as can be seen already Christians are way out there in left field, simply because they bought into the worlds philosophy at some point, and they can't see the truth anymore, when you got to staert questioning the Bible, no wonder God needs to rescue us from the worlds deceptions.

Thank God for His Holy Spirit to guide us into ALL TRUTH.

And God will rescue you as well,, thank God this subject is not a detriment to our salvation, it's just ashamed that His children have to be so decieved, still saved, but just missing out on truth in this very area.

This very subject of origins, is a wonderful test that God is given His children to see who will stay grounded to God's word, and who wavers away from the word of God.

Thank God we can stand firm on His word and promises, and not get swept into the worlds phuilosophies.

Only God can bring His children back to truth.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

How can Christians get so mislead in the worlds philosophies, about the subject of origins of life, when you have to start making assumptions against the Biblical text about whats metaphors and what can be taken literally, now I see why it is so important to be trained by God's Holy Spirit, to stay grounded in His Word, because the Bible says

t:24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

so as can be seen already Christians are way out there in left field, simply because they bought into the worlds philosophy at some point, and they can't see the truth anymore, when you got to staert questioning the Bible, no wonder God needs to rescue us from the worlds deceptions.

Thank God for His Holy Spirit to guide us into ALL TRUTH.

And God will rescue you as well,, thank God this subject is not a detriment to our salvation, it's just ashamed that His children have to be so decieved, still saved, but just missing out on truth in this very area.

This very subject of origins, is a wonderful test that God is given His children to see who will stay grounded to God's word, and who wavers away from the word of God.

Thank God we can stand firm on His word and promises, and not get swept into the worlds phuilosophies.

Only God can bring His children back to truth.

You're the one that lets truth mislead you, which is a remarkable feat of young Earth creationists. Theistic evolution is not contrary to the Bible, it's just not something that can be explained easily. And YEC's take advantage of that by issuing a montage of handwaving right from the start so that it never gets through.
Young Earth creationists know they are wrong deep down, and for the one's that don't, it's because they do not know the gargantuan, virtually certain fact of that we came from a common ancestor.

It's not just evidence here, evidence there., it is all cross-referenced and set in a solid picture of the Earth's history spanning virtually every field of science.
IT IS A FACT. Every single creationist opposition has been refuted by science, which is why you don't hear much from AiG anymore. This past decade has revealed YECism to be FALSE. Don't try to make God out to seem like a deciever to those that choose to face reality because you can't get passed your shallow interpretation of Scripture. Even old Earth creationists have put YECism to bed. Look up Walter Kaiser and how he buried Ken Ham. Seriously, enough is enough, young earthies.

 

[razeontherock]

Lol, that's it? That's the proof?? Mosquitos becoming more mosquitos, worms becoming more worms, flies becoming more flies?? This is still microevolution. Moving the goalposts? No, that's just a weak excuse in a desperate attempt to hide the fact that you're not even coming close to hitting the goalposts in the first place.

Don't forget finches still being finches, and bacterium still being bacterium.

 

[razeontherock]

The definitions of micro and macro evolution are self-evident.

"Self evident" = people talking past each other. You use it to mean one thing, those on the other side of the aisle use it to mean something entirely different. As I said in my first post in this thread. And the development in the thread since, has proven my point! Why is this not "self-evident" to you?

Not when it comes to venturing upon the science of the Bible. Bronze Age people didn't know what we know now, and so their interpretation was off.
When you look at Genesis at a literal standpoint, it does not match what science has granted.

Are you really adopting the position that Gen 1 is a scientific text? Given to people who had no science? And that it couldn't be understood until last century, at the earliest?

What's wrong with employing hermeneutics? How would the original audience have understood it? (Til you've got that, ya got nuthin)

 

[razeontherock]

No, it is macroevolution. 'Species' is a different organism, it just doesn't resemble something too different at the first macro evolutionary jump.

It is self-evident, that you are NOT describing macro-evolution!

 

[razeontherock]

I have given the mechanism, deduced the virtual certainty of evolution from it,

READ: making stuff up. Go ahead, just don't pretend that's science.

I have pretty much stated this like five times now and you keep doing it. How about just be a man and accept the fact that you haven't done much of anything on here except be vastly unreasonable and purposefully ignorant. Don't go trying to backlash me because of your shortcomings.

You have done nothing but be insulting; you're hardly in any position to be saying anything along these lines.

 

[razeontherock]

Oh, I don't doubt you can find a "scientific" definition that supports its own flaws. I think that's called circular reasoning.

I have made no claims here whatsoever about my grandparents, so, this is irrelevant. Nor have I ever requested "pics" of macroevolution, so, good straw man you got yourself there. But I'd love to hear your logic and reasoning to support your claim that I didn't have grandparents.

You came from a space rock. That's the scientific community's "god of the gaps"

 

[toLiJC]

Adama is the Hebrew word for earth. Accordingly, that is where the name Adam came from because that is where man came from (albeit through evolution), which later becomes noted as man.

Before the lineage, there was mankind but the men were not needed to be known, only their fall.
The story of Eden is almost entirely metaphorical. The Serpent, for example, is simply a symbol for the fallen angel. He fell from grace, and crawled on his belly (cast down to the Earth). Hence the metaphor.

the first man was made of earth, and for that reason he was called "adam", because (as you also said) the biblical word "adam" means "earth/soil/ground/dust/sand", according to as it also has been written:

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.",

Genesis 3:19 "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

God was able to made the first man quite directly without any need of existence of a woman, but there is no whatever word about whatever evolution in the Bible, where can you see a humankind before the first man was created?!, and where you see that the "serpent" is a dropped out angel, and how is it possible God to be Creator of dropped out angels or angels that drop out?!, where in the Bible you can see some of the Holy Archangels or Angels of God that have been made from the beginning to drop out?!, especially when it has been written: "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits(ie potent, firm and invincible), and his ministers a flame of fire(ie likewise)."(Hebrews 1:7)

however you are right that the Bible is very symbolical - and let it be known that when we say/testify all this, we do not judge anyone of the humans, and that the only purpose of the faith is to be provided complete salvation to all humans unto eternal life, not whatever other

Blessings

 

[SilenceInMotion]

READ: making stuff up. Go ahead, just don't pretend that's science.

Making stuff up consists of saying science is false simply because you want your shallow interpretation of Scripture to be true.

You have done nothing but be insulting; you're hardly in any position to be saying anything along these lines.

Insulting consists of being purposefully ignorant about something, waving your hand in someone's face, and then going around saying they are wrong because you don't like it.
That is what YECism is, an insult within itself.

No matter what I say, you will say 'pics or didn't happen' or more simply 'ain't seen it'. As if ToE posits that you would even see it in your lifetime.
That is what keeps you from believing evolution, so go ahead and be a creatoinist- live in your fantasy of literalism.
Arguing with YEC's is like arguing with a blind man about what color the sky is.

 

[razeontherock]

yes, the true God is not whatever causer of harm, but there is another side of the divine/divinity which is the "darkness" and which is the source of evil therein, that is shy we said "the basal God", because there is true God that never is evil, but there is also a negative side of God which is the "darkness", so that then(as it is in 2 Thessalonians 2:11) the world "god" is in the meaning of the divine/divinity as a whole, of course this does not mean that there is a higher God than the true Heavenly Father, but just that there are two different sides of the infinitely existing divine nature

FALSE! Job debunks this yin-yang idea. It is also one of many things that is both upheld and clarified in the NT:

(1 John 1:5) "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."

 

[razeontherock]

That correction aside, what you are trying to say is correct: our classification scheme is simply groups of species. So, once you have speciation, you have all of evolution. Getting to a new genus, then a new family, then a new order, a new phylum, even a new kingdom is simply lots of speciation events spread out thru time. No mystery, but just the same processes that produce a new species from an existing one.

Bolded part is false. A fern is simply not a frog. You may be correct and that is certainly modern thought on the topic, but we really do not know that Ev actually "spread out" to such an extent. The evidence we have makes the idea plausible.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Bolded part is false. A fern is simply not a frog. You may be correct and that is certainly modern thought on the topic, but we really do not know that Ev actually "spread out" to such an extent. The evidence we have makes the idea plausible.

Dumbing down something out of sheer purposeful ignorance is not an argument.

 

[razeontherock]

we now again say that in some cases the biblical word "god" indicates both sides of the divine nature i.e. not just the true God but also the "darkness", or said in other words, in such cases the word "god" does not indicate just the true God, but the divine nature as a whole, here is another such place in the Scripture:

Romans 1:25-26 "God gave them(viz. the unrighteous believers) up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use(ie the use of creature/creation which the true God has projected) into that which is against nature(e.g. as the first woman "eve" did): And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman(*), burned in their lust(ie defiled in their spiritual/religious deviation/deception) one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly(viz. which is unseemly for (the) believers), and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error(ie of their spiritual/religious iniquity) which was meet(ie which they did together)." (* some unrighteous male believers leave the woman to follow/do (a) spiritual/religious iniquity(e.g. as the first woman "eve" did), while other of them allow the normal use or the rights of women to be violated - e.g. as the pharisees did with the women)

however you are right about the fact that the true God is never evil

Blessings

You seem to be describing the "demiurge," a gnostic concept. Repent!

 

[razeontherock]

Making stuff up consists of saying science is false simply because you want your shallow interpretation of Scripture to be true.

If you really need to play with your strawmen - please leave me out of it.

Insulting consists of

Consists of the majority of what you've written in this thread. Please make a note of it!

No matter what I say, you will say 'pics or didn't happen'

More straw. How 'bout having the guts to face reality, instead?

That is what keeps you from believing evolution, so go ahead and be a creatoinist- live in your fantasy of literalism.

Obviously you have never learned what happens when you assume. Doesn't this disqualify you from teaching anything?

 

[razeontherock]

Dumbing down something out of sheer purposeful ignorance is not an argument.

Assumption is never a good idea. (Where did I state I was arguing, and why would you assume I was or am?) You are representing everything that is wrong with academia, and doing so quite well.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Assumption is never a good idea. (Where did I state I was arguing, and why would you assume I was or am?) You are representing everything that is wrong with academia, and doing so quite well.

No, I'm not. What you are doing is what YEC's do best- confuse, straw man, deny, and move goalposts.

YEC's do not have an inpenetrable logic or reason, they simply have an invincible denial complex.

 

[toLiJC]

FALSE! Job debunks this yin-yang idea. It is also one of many things that is both upheld and clarified in the NT:

(1 John 1:5) "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."

here we again say that there are two sides of the divine, the "Light" and the "darkness", here are some examples about this:

Genesis 1:1-5 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.",

John 1:1-5 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.",

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost(ie to those believers that believe in wrong direction): In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not(ie of those believers that do not believe in the right direction), lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

as it is written in 1 John 1:5, there is no whatever evil in the true God, but there is also negative side of divine, which is not God, but it is known as satan

Blessings