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I was thinking along the lines of biddhist hand signs and mudras. They havecritual use which i believe are powerful focal instruments for psychic expression. Not parapsychological psychic just of the psyche. There is a floppiness to the lazy mind-body butvone channelling all its energies has a tension to it and if virtuois a natural beauty i suppose.
In nlp there is mirroring but thas all i know. Except eye glances indicating memory or imagination, and eye contact enhancing a meeting of minds.
They say 90%
Of communication is non verbal or something like that. Is there for example a bodisattvas smile or a logicians look?
In nlp there is mirroring but thas all i know. Except eye glances indicating memory or imagination, and eye contact enhancing a meeting of minds.
They say 90%
Of communication is non verbal or something like that. Is there for example a bodisattvas smile or a logicians look?
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People in my field of study (linguistics) as well as others deal with body language, but I've never heard of much philosophy about body language specifically.
That's a pretty common misinterpretation of Mehrabian's study and 7%-38%-55% rule. My understanding of it is that, in situations of communicating emotion (in this case, like/dislike/etc.), when there is an incongruity between the words spoken and the tone and body language used, people tend to cue in on the non-verbal aspects much more heavily. Hence 7% the actual words, 38% the tone, 55% the body language. Hence, if I say "I like you" with a tone and body language that indicate otherwise, you're vastly more likely to trust your interpretation of my non-verbal communication (38+55) rather than trusting my words alone (7%).
And note, this ratio isn't supposed to apply in any other kind of situation other than expression feelings about something or someone.
More here: Albert Mehrabian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's a pretty common misinterpretation of Mehrabian's study and 7%-38%-55% rule. My understanding of it is that, in situations of communicating emotion (in this case, like/dislike/etc.), when there is an incongruity between the words spoken and the tone and body language used, people tend to cue in on the non-verbal aspects much more heavily. Hence 7% the actual words, 38% the tone, 55% the body language. Hence, if I say "I like you" with a tone and body language that indicate otherwise, you're vastly more likely to trust your interpretation of my non-verbal communication (38+55) rather than trusting my words alone (7%).
And note, this ratio isn't supposed to apply in any other kind of situation other than expression feelings about something or someone.
More here: Albert Mehrabian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks both of yiu. I recall reading a book by psychotherapist Carl Rogers and he said tget congruence between feeling and expression was good in a humanistic service. I supppse it boils down to honest expression and full reification of intuitions maybe. That puts a lot of faith in tge inherent goodness and capacity of the natural life of the soul intending to care and bring the correspondent to fuller life. This draws to mind the difference between romantic spontenaity and actually thinkingg aboit what you say first. I tend towards the former trusting in intuition. I am a conscience based person rather than a rule abiding planner. I supppse that plays out in the broader "language" of my activity where i am spontaneous and have few organised patterns of expression - although I do have habits and characteristics.
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I also recall reading thr greekscequated handsomenesscwith virtue. A shia teacer told me they see the body itself as an expression ofvthe soul not just clothing for it or something like that. I have learned that perhaps aesthetic qualities are not such acquired traits as achieved also. One is born with a body yes but the soul develops accordind to ones efforts. I am not a practicing Buddhist I just used that as an example. In Buddhism hatred of others iirc is seen as a poison where as Muslims hate whet they deem sinful and wrong althugh what do i know.? As body language regulates social life to some degree its an interesting choice to make. In Christianiyy one is i think taught to love ande and not to judge too much. I suppose all this has effects on the community spirit and body language of various social groups. Then again returning to the former theme it has been said that beautiful people can get away with more than the less photogenic. Muslims are taightt to breed for faith as it were over good looks wheteas in the west looks are often pedastalised.Photophilia versus fidephilia. But can one breed beauty by virtuous community living?
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I don't know, but I think that there could be, and maybe even should be. Body language can be involved in philosophical/mental/spiritual exercises, as I'm sure you know. I use body language in my own invented Eudaimonist spiritual exercises.
That's an interesting question, and one I hadn't considered before.
IMO, beauty is in part body language. Women, to me, always look more attractive when they seem to be happy and therefore have that special sparkle in their eyes and spring in their step. I have always said that beauty is 50% attitude.
I personally believe that virtuous community living (at least according to my notions of virtue) would definitely create more attractive people, given this understanding of beauty. They would also be more attractive as persons, and have more attractive lives. They would be walking works of art on many levels.
I don't know if the genetic aspect of beauty would be influenced. If so, probably only to a tiny extent.
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As for the relationship between spirit and body i dont actually claim to know. But i do think that spirituality and beauty are linked but to me is a special mercy so exceptoonally blessed. But just because i claim faith that does not automaticall make me a beautiful person all round there may just be a hint of it in me although typically i would supppse tgat judgement is better left to others if i would be humble. Although i can find beauty in life through faith for sure. For mevthat is part of the nature of belief - to get the best out of a good essence even if my itenttion is to believe in Him and no other god and to please Him alone after believingvin His supreme goodness. Which makes sense in self interest you know.
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i like modern expressie free dance. but is it absurd. based on pure emotion and kinaesthetic intuition. it is prrhaps beautiful or at least seductive. it seems likr an amplification of emotive expression. are kinaesthetics rational in the sense tgat they brinh the goodness of beauty into being which is a suitable goal in life? or is it extreme sensualism and unfit for the noble soul? like porn is said to be?
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I don't see how it is absurd. It's perhaps more correct to say that it is more "right brain" than "left brain" in style.
I don't see why sensuality is unfit for the noble soul. It all depends on how one takes it.
Even nude dance (I'm referring to serious artistic dance, not stripping for dollars) can be an expression of beauty and goodness. I'd post a link to an example of what I mean, but I doubt that the mods would permit this.
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Yes there have been theories about language in philosophy.
Ludwig Wittgenstein argues that language is the main constitutive element of reality and of our personhood. and part of what is identified as language is signals from the body or other forms of bodily communication.
Ludwig Wittgenstein argues that language is the main constitutive element of reality and of our personhood. and part of what is identified as language is signals from the body or other forms of bodily communication.
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I would say that body language is a way of expressing ones feelings, in part at least. IIRC it was the pragmatist James who said that "facial feedback" was relevant to emotion. If we smile or frown, that expression causes happiness or despair to some degree. IIRC again there is a clinic in Germany that gets people to smile for half an hour at a time (or so), in the morning, which causes them to be happy throughout the day. So much for the days of storm and stress then?
I am not sure but I think that physical violence may be viewed as an extreme form of emotive communication.
I am not sure but I think that physical violence may be viewed as an extreme form of emotive communication.
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I remember reading Philosophical Investigations but never understood it that clearly. Are you working from a primary source or secondary material?
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That is part of a direct quote from Wittgenstein, I can elaborate more.? he explains in the Anti-Cartesian philosophy/the critique of Cartesian view, as does Martin Heidegger, that using a language (any form-including sign language, bodily signals, and so on) requires being part of a larger community of speakers and being in touch with the things about which we speak. further's this by talking about knowledge. but yes, body language has been discussed in philosophy before!
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