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Why do some people think Hell isn't real?

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I am not saying they will go to Hell for not believing in it. I, however, am implying that they will go to Hell for being self-deluded and/or listening to the Devil and beliving his lies.
HELL. This is the word generally and unfortunately used by our translators to render the Hebrew
Sheol שאול,
or:"αιδης, and once θανατος, 2 Sam. xxii. 6: Inferi or Inferna, or sometimes Mors). We say unfortunately, because although, as St. Augustine truly asserts, Sheol,with its equivalents Inferi and Hades, are never used in a good sense (De Gen. ad Lit. xii. 33), yet the English word Hell is mixed up with numberless associations entirely foreign to the minds of the ancient Hebrews.

It would perhaps have been better to retain the Hebrew word Sheol, or else render it always by " the grave " or " the pit."

Ewald accepts Luther's word Holle; even Unterwelt, which is suggested by De Wette, involves conceptions too human for the purpose.

Hell: Passing over the derivations suggested by older writers, it is now generally agreed that the word comes from the root, "to make hollow" (conip. Germ. Ilolle, "hell," with Ilohle, "a hollow "), and therefore means the vast hollow subterranean resting-place which is the common receptacle of the dead (Ges. T/ies. p. 1348; UiJttcher, lie Jnferis, c. iv. p. 137 fF.; Ewald, ad Ps. p. 42).

The notion, of the fiery rivers of Tartarus, however, is not found in Scripture, for Psa . xviii. 5 is a mere metaphor. It is clear that in many passages of the O. T. Sheol can only mean " the grave," and is so rendered in the A. V. (see, for example, Gen. xxxvii. 35, xlii. 38; 1 Sam. ii. 6; Job xiv. 13).

It is obvious, for instance, that Job xi. 8; Ps. cxxxix. 8; Am. ix. 2 (where " hell " is used as the antithesis of "heaven"), merely illustrate the Jewish notions of the locality of Sheol in the bowels of the earth.
Even Ps. ix. 17, Prov. xv. 24, v. 5, ix. 18, seem to refer rather to the danger of terrible and precipitate death than to a place of infernal anguish.

The statements of Gesenius and very many others about the gates and bars of Hades simply convert rhetoric into logic, and might with equal propriety invest the Kingdom of Heaven with " keys." The theory so prevalent, that Hades was the common province of departed spirits, divided, however, into two compartments, Paradise and Gehenna, seems to have been founded more upon the classical writers and the Rabbis — to whom it appeals so largely — than upon the Bible.

Sheol was, no doubt, the unseen world, the state of the dead generally. So in modem times we often intentionally limit our views, and speak of the other world, the invisible world, the undiscovered country, the grave, the spirit land,etc. (See Fairbaim, Hermeneut. Manual,p. 290 ff. )

Shoel, To translate this Hebrew term, the LXX. adopted the nearest Greek word. Hades, which by derivation signifies the invisible world. But the Greek word could not carry Greek notions into Hebrew theology.The unknown region into which the dying disappeared, was naturally and always invested with gloom to a sinful race. ' But the vague term was capable of becoming more or less definite according to the writer's thought. Most commonly it was simply the grave, as we use the phrase; sometimes the state of death in general; sometimes a dismal place opposed to heaven, e. g., Job xi. 8, Ps. cxxxix. 8, Am. is. 2

In many instances it is with strict propriety translated "hell." Even in Acts ii. 27, 31, quoted from the O. T., Hades is the abode of the wicked dead. Even the righteous Hezekiah trembled lest, " when his eyes closed upon the cherubim and the mercy-seat," he should no longer "see the Lord, even the Lord in the land of the living."
[see 2Th 1:9 Who shall pay a penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;]

In the N. T. the word Hades (like Sheol) sometimes means merely "the grave" (Rev. xx. 13; Acts ii. 31; 1 Cor. xv. 55), or in general "the unseen world." It is in this sense that the creeds say of our Lord Κατηλθεν εν αδη or εισ αδου, descendit ad inferos, or inferna, meaning " the state of the dead in general, without any restriction of happiness or misery" (Beveridge on Art. iii.), a doctrine certainly, though only virtually, expressed in Scripture (Eph. iv. 9; Acts ii. 25-31).
DR. WILLIAM SMITH'S DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE; Page 1038
 
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Some people believe hell isn't real because they are hoping beyond all hope that it isn't.
What an awful place to spend even one second, let alone an eternity.
Jesus came to set the captive free, praise His holy name.
Yes, the grave is a very lonely place!
HELL. This is the word generally and unfortunately used by our translators to render the Hebrew Sheol שאול, or:"αιδης, and once θανατος, 2 Sam. xxii. 6: Inferi or Inferna, or sometimes Mors).

We say unfortunately, because although, as St. Augustine truly asserts, Sheol,with its equivalents Inferi and Hades, are never used in a good sense (De Gen. ad Lit. xii. 33), yet the English word Hell is mixed up with numberless associations entirely foreign to the minds of the ancient Hebrews.

It would perhaps have been better to retain the Hebrew word Sheol, or else render it always by " the grave " or " the pit."

Ewald accepts Luther's word Holle; even Unterwelt, which is suggested by De Wette, involves conceptions too human for the purpose.
DR. WILLIAM SMITH'S DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE; Page 1038
 
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I am not saying they will go to Hell for not believing in it. I, however, am implying that they will go to Hell for being self-deluded and/or listening to the Devil and beliving his lies. If they delude themselves or listen to the Devil and embrace lies about something as basic Hell, chances are huge that they delude themselves and/or believe the Devil's lies about all sorts of things....

Sure, a few theological mistakes probably won't make much difference. God judges according to a person's capability to understand. He is most interested in the qualities of the heart and soul, how we act, and what sort of attitudes that we cultivate....

Nobody can save themselves. But God and the Son will reject slackers and hypocrites....

But whats the difference between making a theological mistake and 'believing a lie from the devil'? As long as they don't trust the devil and DECIDE to believe what he is telling them, I don't see why it would be awful enough to send them to Hell.
 
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I am not saying they will go to Hell for not believing in it. I, however, am implying that they will go to Hell for being self-deluded and/or listening to the Devil and beliving his lies. If they delude themselves or listen to the Devil and embrace lies about something as basic Hell, chances are huge that they delude themselves and/or believe the Devil's lies about all sorts of things....

Sure, a few theological mistakes probably won't make much difference. God judges according to a person's capability to understand. He is most interested in the qualities of the heart and soul, how we act, and what sort of attitudes that we cultivate....

Nobody can save themselves. But God and the Son will reject slackers and hypocrites....
Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Mar 5:15 That - had the legion - This is omitted by D, and two others, Ethiopic, Persic, Vulgate, and all the Itala but one. Mill, Bengel, and Griesbach, think it should be omitted.
Mar 5:15 και ερχονται προς τον ιησουν και θεωρουσιν τον δαιμονιζομενον καθημενον ιματισμενον και σωφρονουντα τον εσχηκοτα τον λεγιωνα και εφοβηθησαν

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]Many writers have imagined, that the magic of the heathen world, their oracles, interpretations of dreams, prodigies, omens, and divinations, were caused by a communication of their prophets, priests, and diviners, with evil spirits. [/FONT]
[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]They suppose, that as God was pleased to inspire his true prophets;to give signs, and work wonders, for his servants; to warn them by dreams, or to reveal to them his will; so the devil, and his angels, affected to imitate these particular favours, vouchsafed to good and virtuous men, and gave oracles, omens, signs, dreams, and visions to delude their superstitious votaries. [/FONT]

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]When the heathens came to worship hero-gods, and to suppose that the world was governed by genii, or spirits of a higher nature than men, but inferior to the deity ; then indeed they ascribed oracles, omens, signs, dreams, and visions, to the ministry of such spirits, intrusted with the government of this lower world. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]This opinion is well expressed by one of Plutarch's disputants, and it was esteemed to be true by Plato and his followers. Many of the fathers of the Christian church likewise ascribed the divination of the heathens to the assistance of their daemons; but we have no reason to think that any opinion of this sort had obtained in the first ages of idolatry, or had appeared so early as the time of Moses. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]We meet with no names of any heathen diviners, mentioned in the Sacred Writings in these early days, which imply any converse with such spirits.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]Our English expression, consulter with familiar spirits, seems to signify one that divined by the help of such spirit; but the Hebrew words, :ob shoel, aobv, are two persons, shoel is the consulter, aobv is the diviner. Our English translators have generally missed the true sense of this expression. Cyclopoedia of Bibical Literature, James Strong[/FONT]
 
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Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Mar 5:15 That - had the legion - This is omitted by D, and two others, Ethiopic, Persic, Vulgate, and all the Itala but one. Mill, Bengel, and Griesbach, think it should be omitted.
Mar 5:15 και ερχονται προς τον ιησουν και θεωρουσιν τον δαιμονιζομενον καθημενον ιματισμενον και σωφρονουντα τον εσχηκοτα τον λεγιωνα και εφοβηθησαν

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]Many writers have imagined, that the magic of the heathen world, their oracles, interpretations of dreams, prodigies, omens, and divinations, were caused by a communication of their prophets, priests, and diviners, with evil spirits. [/FONT]
[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]They suppose, that as God was pleased to inspire his true prophets;to give signs, and work wonders, for his servants; to warn them by dreams, or to reveal to them his will; so the devil, and his angels, affected to imitate these particular favours, vouchsafed to good and virtuous men, and gave oracles, omens, signs, dreams, and visions to delude their superstitious votaries. [/FONT]

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]When the heathens came to worship hero-gods, and to suppose that the world was governed by genii, or spirits of a higher nature than men, but inferior to the deity ; then indeed they ascribed oracles, omens, signs, dreams, and visions, to the ministry of such spirits, intrusted with the government of this lower world. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]This opinion is well expressed by one of Plutarch's disputants, and it was esteemed to be true by Plato and his followers. Many of the fathers of the Christian church likewise ascribed the divination of the heathens to the assistance of their daemons; but we have no reason to think that any opinion of this sort had obtained in the first ages of idolatry, or had appeared so early as the time of Moses. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]We meet with no names of any heathen diviners, mentioned in the Sacred Writings in these early days, which imply any converse with such spirits.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Bookman Old Style, serif]Our English expression, consulter with familiar spirits, seems to signify one that divined by the help of such spirit; but the Hebrew words, :ob shoel, aobv, are two persons, shoel is the consulter, aobv is the diviner. Our English translators have generally missed the true sense of this expression. Cyclopoedia of Bibical Literature, James Strong[/FONT]


He-man, I once again counsel you to adjust your thinking. Hell is real. I have been to various parts of it, including one that can truly be termed Tartarus. In another portion, I beheld a vast dungeon filled with thousands of monstrous machines employed to torture poor inmates of Hell. I have also seen inmates being roasted over fires, while devils poked them with spears. I witnessed deluges of souls tumbling into the Abyss. Even so, there is much more to Hell than is supposed. It is the heart of the worst of various infernal regions, most of which could be termed the dominions of death....
 
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He-man, I once again counsel you to adjust your thinking. Hell is real. I have been to various parts of it, including one that can truly be termed Tartarus. In another portion, I beheld a vast dungeon filled with thousands of monstrous machines employed to torture poor inmates of Hell. I have also seen inmates being roasted over fires, while devils poked them with spears. I witnessed deluges of souls tumbling into the Abyss. Even so, there is much more to Hell than is supposed. It is the heart of the worst of various infernal regions, most of which could be termed the dominions of death....

I've been to hell, too. Though the corner I saw wasn't as fabulous as all that. It looked like a mother washing her dead son's body under harsh fluorescent hospital lights. My Father was there, too, but I didn't see Him at the time.
 
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I believe where most err is in only being able to see things 'ONE way' or 'another'. They fail to see a THIRD option.

There are those that will be saved, (receive eternal life). And there are those that will face destruction, (they will be judged and according to that judgment will be judged UNWORTHY for eternal life. They will simply CEASE to exist as self aware entities).

And then there is the THIRD OPTION: Those that LITERALLY 'serve Satan' WILLINGLY. I believe that these will be GIVEN to Satan and so long as Satan exists, they will be in torment. They will receive the REWARDS of their SERVICE as ALL men will REAP what they SOW.

But in order for one to be ETERNALLY TORTURED, they would have to receive ETERNAL LIFE, (or eternal death I guess). And from what we have been offered, only those that are SAVED will receive ETERNAL life.

Does hell exist? According to the Word it does. And I am in agreement with what has been offered concerning those that REFUSE to accept what the Word offers concerning hell: they are WISHING beyond HOPE that there is NO SUCH PLACE. It is SHEAR TERROR of ending up there that leads many to simply eliminate it from their beliefs.

Sure there is a hell. EVERYONE that we know of will end up dying and entering HELL. For one of the definitions of hell IS: The 'grave'.

The 'other hell'? The place where there will be anguish and sorrow and the gnashing of teeth? SURE it exists. We simply have SO LITTLE understanding of it's very nature offered that few, if any, have ANY true understanding of it.

You know, God, through His Word, doesn't really DWELL on the negative so far as HELL, Satan, demons, sorcery, familiar spirits, etc...........the REASON is that God is not going to offer enough information so that one could USE IT to FOLLOW such negative paths. If one chooses to follow these paths, they are forced to LEARN about them through some OTHER means than God's Word.

Suffice is the FACT that they are MENTIONED as EXISTING. Those that the Word, (Bible), was written to are those that will seek FORGIVENESS and SALVATION. It was NOT written a GUIDE to learn about Satanism or the occult. So little is offered on these subjects. But ENOUGH for us to rest ASSURED that they EXIST.

Blessings,

MEC
 
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I have also seen inmates being roasted over fires, while devils poked them with spears. I witnessed deluges of souls tumbling into the Abyss.
Hmmnn, Are you a veteran?

Revere God, and not a superstitious bogeyman!

Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Isaiah says there is no devils or bogeymen to fear.

Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Psalm 34:11: "Come you children, listen to me; I will teach you the reverence of the LORD."

Psalm 33:8-9 "Let all the earth revere the LORD; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast."




 
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:thumbsup::thumbsup:Will there be some in Hell who don't believe in Hell?
Do you know what vague Ambiguity means?
Ambiguity of information, in words, pictures, or other media, is the ability to express more than one interpretation. It is generally contrasted with vagueness, in that specific and distinct interpretations are permitted (although some may not be immediately apparent), whereas with information that is vague it is difficult to form any interpretation at the desired level of specificity. Wikipedia®


And Yes, the grave is a very lonely place!

HELL. This is the word generally and unfortunately used by our translators to render the Hebrew Sheol שאול, or:"αιδης, and once θανατος, 2 Sam. xxii. 6: Inferi or Inferna, or sometimes Mors).

We say unfortunately, because although, as St. Augustine truly asserts, Sheol,with its equivalents Inferi and Hades, are never used in a good sense (De Gen. ad Lit. xii. 33), yet the English word Hell is mixed up with numberless associations entirely foreign to the minds of the ancient Hebrews.

It would perhaps have been better to retain the Hebrew word Sheol, or else render it always by " the grave " or " the pit."

Ewald accepts Luther's word Holle; even Unterwelt, which is suggested by De Wette, involves conceptions too human for the purpose.
DR. WILLIAM SMITH'S DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE; Page 1038
 
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He-man, you are more relentless than a broken record, endlessly repeating the same tired 100+ year old quotes from Dr. Smith. It speaks volumes about you that you are unable to articulate your thoughts in your own words. Do you do the same thing in person? How much social interaction do you get most days? Any?
 
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He-man, you are more relentless than a broken record, endlessly repeating the same tired 100+ year old quotes from Dr. Smith. It speaks volumes about you that you are unable to articulate your thoughts in your own words. Do you do the same thing in person? How much social interaction do you get most days? Any?
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Hillsage is correct. It is both one bad translation built upon another. As he said...both 'olam' in the hebrew and 'aion' or 'aionos' in the greek, never meant eternity or forever. The singular means 'age' or 'for a time' and the plural means ages....never eternal or forever. The Hebrews and Greeks never even had a word for forever. That was made up in the Greek approx 200 years after Christ.
The word 'torment' is the greek work 'basanos'. It means 'a touchstone'. A touchstone is how metallurgists used to test the purity of precious metals such as gold.
Effectively...what this means is that all of mankind will be judged in fire, all their flesh will be purged and then the will be restored to God. They will be tested asd salted with fire. All the wood, hay and stubble will be consumed.
We will be rubbed by God's touchstone to see how pure we are. Not on a stick dangling over a perpetual flame for ever and ever, but a symbolic flame that purges our carnal nature and 'only for a time'

And Albion, as a believer in Hell...the question wasn't for you to answer.
Mainstream christianity doesn't even come close to answering these issues as they made them up in the first place.

Nope. Even though you are right that is only one translation the word.
The word origin is actually primary used as continued duration = eternity.
Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.
 
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As you've already been inundated with lists, definitions, and theories, I'll keep my response simple, and side with Imagicam. Just to simplify: 1 Cor. 15:54 "Soo when this corruptible has put on incorruption and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying "death is swallowed up in victory". Rev.22:12 "The Lord is coming and His reward is with Him (immortality), for Rev.20:14 " Death and hades cast into the lake of fire, this is the second death." The end or the beginning, you chose.

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OK, I'll admit there are a TON of verses that seem to indicate that there will be an unending torturous hell.
My problem is the issue that the vast majority of humans will not become evangelical believing Christians. God knew before he created mankind that it would be so, yet he went ahead and did it. That type of a God would seem to be one who is tyrranical, a lover of pain and self absorbed.
Surely a God who IS love would not create a world where most inhabitants suffered in their life and suffered for eternity because of their lack of understanding or being born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I have always struggled with this. Help me understand.

I don't think that we ever will have a complete understanding of this until we reach heaven. But I will share my ideas.
1) He created us with a free will. That is the first and most basic thing.
God does not force you to receive anything, nor to love him. We think we understand this basic matter, but do we in the sense of our own eternal fate? Can we blame God who gave us the free will in the first place, if we make a very foolish decision? "You made me this way", fails here. If that was the case, we shouldn't at all worry. Beacuse if thats true, then we do not have to be responsable for anything we do.
The foundation of love is a free will. Commanded love is not love at all. It is Gods nature, the essence of his very being to love and be loved. And beacuse we were created in his own image, to be like God, the same principle is always operative in our souls. The more we see who he is, the more we love him, and the more like himwe becomes. We can experience this on earth to a measure, this is his will. But in heaven, where we have immunity to sin and delivered from our corrupted flesh, we can live and enjoy abundant life and love without measure. He is the life source of the universe, and without him no life exists.
2) Sin has to have a righteous punishment. When dealing with Gods judgements, we have to realize that his justice is complete and trustworthy. Sin is to reject him as the one he really is and deserves exactly that, eternal rejection from him we have rejected, supposedlywe are aware of what we are doing. This God only knows and will judge accordingly.
The origin of all our misary as a race of Adam is this sin of going our own way. And because he is God, it not possable to co-exist with something that not subjective to his laws and orders. It is impossable. If abranch is seperated from the tree, death is inevitable. However, Gods loves every one of us with a unconditional love and calls us back to him before it is too late.
"And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" (Hebr. 9:27)
He did not create nothing dirty, inpure, filthy existed. Satan and his angels are the ones that hell was created for. God had to deal with him for what he did when he fell ages ago. An with Gods righteous judgement he could not go free for eternity. If he would, Gods order in universe would never re-enter the state of absolut and complete perfection and happiness God intended.
Because of what Jesus did on the cross, we can enter this eternal state of peace and happiness God created you for. God wants to place us in the new heavens and new earth that is to come in the future. To be a new creation in Christ Jesus, washed by the blood of Jesus, is to get a ticket to this world. Because this new creation on the inside of you when you get saved, belongs to the new creation.
3) When we came to this world, God had a plan to bring us to the light. However, we are not alone in this world. There is a invisable spiritworld all around us that causes things to happen. But just as God works through man and women on earth, so does satan, even though they mostly do not realize it. Everything that is happening in this world is not Gods will.
"Satan goes around like a roaring lion and seeks who he may devour." (1 Peter 5:8)
It is literary light against darkness, good against evil in this world. And man stands in between. The battle rages in the soul. The devil and his devils works to deceive us to believe lies instead of the truth. Now, that does not mean that God has completly lost control. I believe that God protects many of the unsaved. He wants to lead us to where we can hear the gospel which is preached and we have a choice to draw near to the light which is shown to us. Do we care for truth more that to satisfy our own desires? Most of us would certainly say yes, but the truth is tha some do not. When we have made a decision to belive something, it can be very hard to change. That is why it takes many years for some the surrender and be saved. Some do it their deathbeds. Better late than never. Do not think that you have plenty of time left. We do not know when our time will come.
 
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Two ways of thinking. One says, take care of me I dont want to be responsible for anything.
The other likes freedom, is willing to decide and choose. Takes responsibility for their life.
God has given us free will, thats a beautiful gift, use it wisely.
Hell and heaven are choices, we cant do away with either one. Pray and ask for the Lord Jesus
To help you. He will, because He loves you.
 
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Kinda confused about that...

Can someone who doesn't believe in Hell give me a simple list of reasons why? :)

Hell or “hellfire” has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries. Thus, The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol. XIV, p. 81) said: “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.”

Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at a correct understanding of their true significance. As has been noted, the English word "hell" meant in the 17th century to "conceal or cover over", for doing something as helling potatoes did not mean to burn them but to conceal them as in a cellar for being eaten later.

Thus, one Hebrew (Sheol) and three Greek words (Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus) are all translated by the one word "hell" in the King James Bible (at 2 Sam 22:6 [sheol]; Jonah 2:2 [sheol]; Matt 10:28 [Gehenna]; Matt 11:23 [hades]; 2 Pet 2:4 [Tartarus]) But what does these words mean ?

Both the Hebrew sheol and the Greek hades are interchangable, as for example at Psalms 16:10 ("For you will not leave my soul in She´ol. You will not allow your loyal one to see the pit.", New World Translation), whereby the apostle Peter quoted it regarding Jesus, saying: "he saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in Ha´des nor did his flesh see corruption."(Acts 2:31)

From sheol or hades, a person can receive a resurrection from the dead, for Revelation 20:13 says that "the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha´des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds." These have the meaning of mankind's common grave.

Jesus used the Greek word Gehenna (literally geenna, from the Hebrew Geh Hin·nom´, “Valley of Hinnom” or a garbage area south of Jerusalem) at Matthew 10:28, saying: "And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Ge·hen´na."

Hence, the word Gehenna has the basic meaning of destruction, for anyone who is placed there by Jehovah God has no hope of a resurrection from the dead, as for example those who continue to harbor hate for their "brother", never learning to show genuine or Christ-like love (Matt 5:22) or those who are unwilling to conform to God's moral laws, as seen at Matthew 5:29, 30.

Of the Greek Tartarus that the apostle Peter used at 2 Peter 2:4, it means a prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day, not torment, in which Peter wrote that "God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” These wicked angels are awaiting God's judgment while in "pits of dense darkness" to be passed on them, of being destroyed in Gehenna.(Rev 20:10)

To assist one to reason on God's love, at Jeremiah 7, Jehovah says of the nation of Israel: "They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. And they have built the high places of To´pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’ "(Jer 7:30, 31)

At Jeremiah 32:35, Jehovah says that "they went putting their disgusting things in the house upon which my own name has been called, in order to defile it. Furthermore, they built the high places of Ba´al that are in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through [the fire] to Mo´lech, a thing that I did not command them, neither did it come up into my heart to do this detestable thing, for the purpose of making Judah sin.’ " How can God condemn the nation of Israel for burning their children in a fire but at the same time be tormenting people in a "hellfire" ?

Thence, when a person seriously considers all the Bible, not taking scriptures out of context but digging deeper into the Bible, these can then understand the words of the apostle John regarding Jehovah God: "He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love."(1 John 4:8)
 
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As you've already been inundated with lists, definitions, and theories, I'll keep my response simple, and side with Imagicam. Just to simplify: 1 Cor. 15:54 "Soo when this corruptible has put on incorruption and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying "death is swallowed up in victory". Rev.22:12 "The Lord is coming and His reward is with Him (immortality), for Rev.20:14 " Death and hades cast into the lake of fire, this is the second death." The end or the beginning, you chose.

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Thanks doc,

It is ALWAYS refreshing to hear others that have accepted and understand the scriptures as offered. Not for SIDING with me, but for being willing to stand up and offer UNDERSTANDING rather than attempt to be 'Politically Correct' by LETTING others offer contrary understanding to that which we have been offered.

Yes, both ENDING and a NEW beginning. A beginning WITHOUT 'hell' or 'Satan' or anything standing between us and our Creator. A 'second death' in which death itself is swallowed up and becomes NON existent.

Blessings,

MEC
 
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