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Deer hunter explains Jacob's 'rods'.

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I wanted to post this as a new thread before it gets lost in the thread where I originally posted it. I hope you find it interesting.


Genesis 30:37-39
Jacob displays his (and God's) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats.


The spotted and ringstraked offspring were the offspring of rams that carried and passed on that characteristic. The peeled rods had nothing to do with their coloration and there is nothing in the story that indicates this.


The exposed white of the poplar rods may have been a visual breeding stimulus for the does much like it is for some species of deer. Deer, sheep, and goats are distantly related. The more visual rubs (saplings with bark peeled almost all the way around) of the whitetail deer are called 'signpost rubs' and indicated the presence of breeding bucks to the females in the area.

It is well known that while the presence of breeding males doesn't always cause the females to come into heat it serves to 'organize' the breeding cycle for maximum effectiveness. In the case of goats their odiferous presence actually does bring the females into heat. So Jacob's peeled rods may have indicated to the female sheep and goats that the watering areas were the place to breed, not the cause. The introduction of strong-smelling breeding males would have brought them into heat. Jacob did this to ensure maximum breeding effectiveness so he could quickly build his own flocks. The story further reveals that the rams that were used that may have appeared one-colored actually carried the multi-colored qualities that Jacob sought.

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Poplar 'rods' peeled by deer to help organize the breeding cycle.

Male deer and male goats have some similiar breeding behaviors, notably that of urinating on themselves to attract females. The goat pees in his beard while the deer urinates on his hind legs as an enhancement to the musky secretions from his 'tarsal' glands located on the inside of his hocks.

The 'rubs' or peeling of the bark from saplings during the deer breeding season might have been shown to Jacob by his brother Esau, who hunted deer in the area (his father Isaac loved the 'venison' he brought home from the field). Jacob may have used the technique in hopes of enhancing the breeding cycle of the sheep and goats without actually knowing if it would work. My guess is that he was using every trick in the book to become successful.

Another thought. The reason Jacob placed several peeled rods in front of the cattle instead of just one may lie in another habit of male deer regarding these rubs. They will often rub many saplings in a small area of the woods. These are called 'cluster rubs' and probably indicate a 'loafing area' frequented by the buck, but not necessarily a 'breeding' area.

Esau may also have revealed this to Jacob, who may have thought,"Hey, if one peeled poplar is good, two (or two dozen) is twice as good." :D
 
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That is hilarious spin. You should write for AiG


There might be an 'evolutionary' connection to man here as well. You often see human males peeing on themselves after an evening of trying to attract females, usually at bartime on college campuses. :p
 
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I like the explanation given on p.455 onwards here.
It takes into account the facts that Jacob would have known that mono-colour animals can produce striped or spotted ones, and that he had to get out of a situation without it appearing that he had tricked Laban.

If you can find fault with this explanation please advise.

That is pretty easy as the link you provided seems to run contrary to the passage involved and also to incorporate superstition.

25 As soon as Rachel had borne Joseph, Jacob said to Laban, “Send me away, that I may go to my own home and country. 26 Give me my wives and my children for whom I have served you, that I may go, for you know the service that I have given you.” 27 But Laban said to him, “If I have found favor in your sight, I have learned by divination that[k] the Lord has blessed me because of you. 28 Name your wages, and I will give it.” 29 Jacob said to him, “You yourself know how I have served you, and how your livestock has fared with me. 30 For you had little before I came, and it has increased abundantly, and the Lord has blessed you wherever I turned. But now when shall I provide for my own household also?” 31 He said, “What shall I give you?” Jacob said, “You shall not give me anything. If you will do this for me, I will again pasture your flock and keep it: 32 let me pass through all your flock today, removing from it every speckled and spotted sheep and every black lamb, and the spotted and speckled among the goats, and they shall be my wages. 33 So my honesty will answer for me later, when you come to look into my wages with you. Every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats and black among the lambs, if found with me, shall be counted stolen.” 34 Laban said, “Good! Let it be as you have said.” 35 But that day Laban removed the male goats that were striped and spotted, and all the female goats that were speckled and spotted, every one that had white on it, and every lamb that was black, and put them in the charge of his sons. 36 And he set a distance of three days' journey between himself and Jacob, and Jacob pastured the rest of Laban's flock.
37 Then Jacob took fresh sticks of poplar and almond and plane trees, and peeled white streaks in them, exposing the white of the sticks. 38 He set the sticks that he had peeled in front of the flocks in the troughs, that is, the watering places, where the flocks came to drink. And since they bred when they came to drink, 39 the flocks bred in front of the sticks and so the flocks brought forth striped, speckled, and spotted. 40 And Jacob separated the lambs and set the faces of the flocks toward the striped and all the black in the flock of Laban. He put his own droves apart and did not put them with Laban's flock. 41 Whenever the stronger of the flock were breeding, Jacob would lay the sticks in the troughs before the eyes of the flock, that they might breed among the sticks, 42 but for the feebler of the flock he would not lay them there. So the feebler would be Laban's, and the stronger Jacob's. 43 Thus the man increased greatly and had large flocks, female servants and male servants, and camels and donkeys.

It does not look to me like Laban was behaving honestly, he was removing the payment before Jacob started with the flock. The point being that generally sheep breed true and with only white sheep the spotted or speckled would be rare.

Now if it were not for verses 41 and 42 one could argue that Jacob knew more about recessive genes, but those 2 verses make it clear that the rods were the cause of speckled or spotted sheep.

The verses in question clearly show a poor understanding natural law. The only possible excuse it that this is a translation issue, but with 2 whole verses that is doubtful.
 
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From the Defender's Study Bible:
Jacob did know from long experience as a shepherd and stock breeder, that some "heterozygous" animals would be in the flock, even though all appeared to be "homozygous," so that at least a few animals would be born spotted and speckled, even from Laban's solid-colored animals. He trusted the Lord to determine how many.
These striped rods were not for the purpose of inducing some "prenatal influence" on the animals. With his seventy years or more of practical experience with large flocks, Jacob knew better than that. Either the chemicals from the wood or the sight of the streaked rods must have served as an aphrodisiac for the animals, inducing them to mate as they came to the troughs. Jacob only used the rods with the stronger animals, so that the progeny would also be strong. Under usual conditions, this stratagem should have greatly benefited Laban's flocks.
 
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From the Defender's Study Bible:

Go back and read verses 41 and 42. They make no sense at all unless the sticks are the CAUSE on striping and speckling.

Cut out those verses and the view that the sticks only cause increased breeding makes sense. With them if does not.
 
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Now if it were not for verses 41 and 42 one could argue that Jacob knew more about recessive genes, but those 2 verses make it clear that the rods were the cause of speckled or spotted sheep.

The 'rods' may have been a simple ruse by Jacob. Note that in chapter 31: 10-12 Jacob had a reinforced vision that indeed the sires were actually ringstraked etc.

10 And it came to pass at the time that the cattle conceived, that I lifted up mine eyes, and saw in a dream, and, behold, the rams which leaped upon the cattle were ringstraked, speckled, and grisled.
11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.

Jacob was being prepared by God to leave Laban for greater things that were planned for him. Providing wealth in the form of Laban's cattle was part of God's plan for him, and to provide Laban with some comeuppance.
 
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What a mighty, majestic god, providing some guy comeuppance via cattle.

Bad things can happen when ya screw with God's annointed. :p
 
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The 'rods' may have been a simple ruse by Jacob. Note that in chapter 31: 10-12 Jacob had a reinforced vision that indeed the sires were actually ringstraked etc.

10 And it came to pass at the time that the cattle conceived, that I lifted up mine eyes, and saw in a dream, and, behold, the rams which leaped upon the cattle were ringstraked, speckled, and grisled.
11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.

Jacob was being prepared by God to leave Laban for greater things that were planned for him. Providing wealth in the form of Laban's cattle was part of God's plan for him, and to provide Laban with some comeuppance.

A pretty poor ruse then as it makes it look like Jacob is trying to cheat Laban. men were to sit in Judgement regarding Jacob's actions he would have fared much better if the flock brought forth the kind of young that favored him with no special actions on his part.

And It also ignores the clear meaning of verses 41 and 42.
 
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And It also ignores the clear meaning of verses 41 and 42.

Or it places those verses in the larger context, that being that God engineered the whole thing. Jacob was a devious man (gets it from his mother).
 
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Now if it were not for verses 41 and 42 one could argue that Jacob knew more about recessive genes, but those 2 verses make it clear that the rods were the cause of speckled or spotted sheep.

The verses in question clearly show a poor understanding natural law. The only possible excuse it that this is a translation issue, but with 2 whole verses that is doubtful.


The translation may give you that impression. But further examination shows that the rods produced the end result of different sheep. That their use had the result of different sheep patterns. Not that they had DNA changing force fields that altered the sheep by direct radiation.
 
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