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Please Bill Nye, come say Hi.
Stand against God and fail. All that truely believe in that understand.

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You don't have evidence, just faith. And there's nothing wrong with faith in itself, just please be honest about it and get off your high horse.

Go ahead friend, express your perspective. Editing hasn't changed your view. Lay it out, it is the truth we seek.
 
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Please Bill Nye, come say Hi.
Stand against God and fail. All that truely believe in that understand.

Evolution is so simplistic unto the whole picture. The foundation is God. Without God every theory and concept and guess fails. God is the start of every truth and those that disagree with that have errored. Please provide a case, I will prove it.

Can God microwave a burrito so hot he can't eat it?

You dodged this question a while ago.
 
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You don't have evidence, just faith. And there's nothing wrong with faith in itself, just please be honest about it and get off your high horse.

I'm weak and poor and attacked constantly by those that do wickedly constantly, knowingly, and intentionally. Though God Himself will be a better witness for this. What do you inquire of me...If there is a High Horse, it is Gods alone, poor, mere me.
 
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The earth is circle. Complicated delusions of a fact only lead to confusion. Flat is not circle.

cir·cle/ˈsərkəl/
Noun:
A round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed center.

plane/plān/
Noun:
A flat surface on which a straight line joining any two points on it would wholly lie.
 
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I'm weak and poor and attacked constantly by those that do wickedly constantly, knowingly, and intentionally. Though God Himself will be a better witness for this. What do you inquire of me...If there is a High Horse, it is Gods alone, poor, mere me.
We have different definitions of attack and modesty as well, it would seem.
 
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cir·cle/ˈsərkəl/
Noun:
A round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed center.

plane/plān/
Noun:
A flat surface on which a straight line joining any two points on it would wholly lie.

A circle is round AND flat.

A sphere or globe is round AND NOT flat.
 
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Go ahead friend, express your perspective. Editing hasn't changed your view. Lay it out, it is the truth we seek.

Editing hasn't changed my view, but I don't particularly want to get banned, so I expressed myself in a more toned down manner.

My point still stands. You don't have any solid evidence your God exists. Your bible could easily have been embellished or completely made up by the Jews as propaganda, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. That doesn't mean it was, but you're being dishonest if you're pretending to have absolute proof of your god's existence. So far all we've had out of you is hot air and bluster.



The earth is circle. Complicated delusions of a fact only lead to confusion. Flat is not circle.

No, the earth is a sphere. (More or less). "Circle" describes something different.
 
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If your refusing to hear the verse in that post, your refusing the truth. None can expect any less from one against God.
If you're refusing to answer the question in that post, you're refusing the truth. None can expect any less from some guy.
 
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And yet your aware that circular is not flat. Fighting it won't help, truth prevails.

No, circular is flat. That is what a circle is. That is the meaning of the word. It doesn't matter if you decide to use it wrongly. You are the one fighting against the truth. Look up any dictionary in the world and it will prove you wrong. Not that I expect you to realise that.
 
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My point still stands. You don't have any solid evidence your God exists. Your bible could easily have been embellished or completely made up by the Jews as propaganda, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. That doesn't mean it was, but you're being dishonest if you're pretending to have absolute proof of your god's existence. So far all we've had out of you is hot air and bluster.

If one truley desires absolute proof, accept Him. Evidence that one can believe in Him and evidence that one can't is proof that only He, God alone, is in control. How many have claimed to be alone...God in His own(His children) proves that Gods own aren't alone. One may build up confidence in unbelief, though I guarantee, one that believes in God will prevail.
 
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And yet your aware that circular is not flat. Fighting it won't help, truth prevails.

You asked for it.

The Bible’s flat earth

In the Bible the earth is a round flat object with ends and which is immovable and set on pillars.

Here God is imagined to draw a circle on the face of the waters to make the earth.

(Prov 8:26-27 NRSV) when he had not yet made earth and fields, or the world’s first bits of soil. When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,

A circle is of course a flat round object. Some would say that the ancient Hebrews had no word for sphere so they used circle, but that is not true. There is a Hebrew word for ball used in the bible. A flat round earth was intuitive to these primitive people. If you picture yourself in their place, it would not be too hard to imagine the earth as being round and flat as you turn around to trace the outline of the horizon where the sky seems to meet the earth.

Here God is imagined to sit above the circle of the earth looking down on it’s inhabitants who are small like grasshoppers.

(Isa 40:22 NRSV) It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;

Again a circle is a flat two dimensional object and there was a Hebrew word for ball which would have been more appropriate if the author would have been aware of the earth’s spherical nature.

Here the author of Daniel writes of a dream of Nebuchadnezzar where a tree grows at the "center" of the earth. Assuming that the tree grew on the surface, this is most certainly the center of a flat earth as a spherical earth would have no center on it’s surface. Also notice that the tree grew so tall it’s top reached heaven and was visible to the "ends of the earth". So these verses indicate that Nebuchadnezzar and the author of Daniel pictured a flat earth as everyone else did in their time.

(Dan 4:10-11 NRSV) Upon my bed this is what I saw; there was a tree at the center of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew great and strong, its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the ends of the whole earth.

Here it is possible that this gospel author still imagined a flat earth as Jesus is able to see all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. This would not be possible on a spherical earth.

(Mat 4:8 NRSV) Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;

Here the author of Job imagines that God could take the edges of the earth and shake the wicked out of it.

(Job 38:13 NIV) that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?

Here the author of Job is saying something is longer than the earth. A flat earth with ends could be compared for length, but longer has no meaning for a spherical earth.

(Job 11:9 NRSV) Its measure is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.

One end of a flat earth to the other end of a flat earth is mentioned here (a spherical earth had no ends).

(Deu 13:7 NRSV) any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other,

Again, some would say that the ends of the earth is not be taken literally and that would be true today, but the phrase is leftover from when people used to really believe the earth had ends, which was the case for the ancient Hebrews and most everyone else at that time.

Here is a few more verses that mention the ends of the earth

Deu 28:49, Deu 28:64, Deu 33:17, 1 Sam 2:10, Job 1:7, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Psa 2:8, Psa 19:4, Psa 22:27, Psa 33:13, Psa 33:14, Psa 48:10, Psa 59:13, Psa 61:2, Psa 65:5, Psa 72:8


The Bible’s immovable earth set on pillars

Here the earth is imagined to be set on pillars and immovable.

(Psa 93:1 NRSV) … He has established the world; it shall never be moved;

(1 Sam 2:8 NRSV) For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world.

(Isa 24:18 NRSV) or the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
 
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If one truley desires absolute proof, accept Him. Evidence that one can believe in Him and evidence that one can't is proof that only He, God alone, is in control. How many have claimed to be alone...God in His own(His children) proves that Gods own aren't alone. One may build up confidence in unbelief, though I guarantee, one that believes in God will prevail.

I did, for over a decade. I received nothing resembling proof, at any point.
 
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