Creationism is Inappropriate for Children

[Cromulent]

Pictured: Living Peaceably

 

[selfinflikted]

...but also credit the Christian religion for showing us how to live peaceably with each other.

Since when has Christianity ever shown us how to live peaceably?!?

 

[keith99]

Since when has Christianity ever shown us how to live peaceably?!?

I would say The Society of Friends has done a pretty good job of showing how to live peaceably and they are one of the largest denominations out there!

Dang the devil made me say largest, I meant smallest.

 

[selfinflikted]

Never heard of 'em. As a whole, Christianity's history is littered with... well, not peace. lol.

 

[Git]

If seeking for peace, I think that you can just throw religion out of the calculations.

Actually, just throw everything else too. Humans are naturally opportunistic and violence is just one of the languages we use to send a message or to gain something. We are just war-mongerers who will end up corrupting all idealogies.

 

[morningstar2651]

God is the Creator. God is for all children. God is the pure, the good.

Creationism isn't God.

You can believe in God without being a creationist.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

Well I don't think I don't want him to be real. I used to love God not too long ago.

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Well, what happened ? What caused you to desire to distance yourself from God , now and for all of eternity ? Do u believe this is a wise decision considering the big picture ? Id really like to know .

 

[selfinflikted]

Well, what happened ? What caused you to desire to distance yourself from God , now and for all of eternity ? Do u believe this is a wise decision considering the big picture ? Id really like to know .

You know how, when you were little, you used to believe in Santa Claus? But then, when you got old enough, you realized it was just something parents told their kids for something fun to do around the holidays, and it also helped them behave throughout the whole year because the parents would say, "You better act right, or Santa will only bring you a bag of switches this year!"

Imgaine that, but replace Santa with "God." I can't speak for Paradoxum, but I imagine this is probably how she lost her faith. It's kinda how I lost mine.

 

[leo J]

Creationism isn't God.

You can believe in God without being a creationist.

You cannot believe in the true God and believe that he lied in His Word.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

You cannot believe in the true God and believe that he lied in His Word.

That would assume one is a literalist when it comes to the Word, which many people are not. One could, if not believing the entirety of the Bible to be a literal exposition, take the Genesis story of creation as a metaphor for the start of life and generation of the Earth.

 

[leo J]

That would assume one is a literalist when it comes to the Word, which many people are not. One could, if not believing the entirety of the Bible to be a literal exposition, take the Genesis story of creation as a metaphor for the start of life and generation of the Earth.

So do you believe that Genesis 1 & 2 is a make believe story?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Since when has Christianity ever shown us how to live peaceably?!?

I wuz referring to the real Christian religion.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

So do you believe that Genesis 1 & 2 is a make believe story?

You don't understand the word "metaphor" do you? 'Make believe' is not the same as 'metaphorical'.

(Also, you make a leap in logic, as I did not say which side of the argument I fell to at all. Since it makes no difference to the discussion.)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If seeking for peace, I think that you can just throw religion out of the calculations.

Actually, just throw everything else too. Humans are naturally opportunistic and violence is just one of the languages we use to send a message or to gain something. We are just war-mongerers who will end up corrupting all idealogies.

Bullseye. We have also corrupted the Christian religion, as far back as the days of the apostles.

We are taught to love our neighbors by our religion. Then we go out and hate our neighbors, making a big mess of our society, then declare that Christianity doesn't work.

This may be another definition of insanity.

 

[leo J]

You don't understand the word "metaphor" do you? 'Make believe' is not the same as 'metaphorical'.

(Also, you make a leap in logic, as I did not say which side of the argument I fell to at all. Since it makes no difference to the discussion.)

What about Genesis 1 would cause any one to think it's a "metaphor" (unless they are just trying to deny God's Word)?

 

[selfinflikted]

What about Genesis 1 would cause any one to think it's a "metaphor" (unless they are just trying to deny God's Word)?

Basically, everything. For starters, we know the age of the universe and the earth. They weren't made in 7 days.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

You know how, when you were little, you used to believe in Santa Claus? But then, when you got old enough, you realized it was just something parents told their kids for something fun to do around the holidays, and it also helped them behave throughout the whole year because the parents would say, "You better act right, or Santa will only bring you a bag of switches this year!"

Imgaine that, but replace Santa with "God." I can't speak for Paradoxum, but I imagine this is probably how she lost her faith. It's kinda how I lost mine.

Well, we will have to wait for Paradoxum to reply as to her own case.

I remember when i believed in Santa Claus as a young child , but if someone had told me when i was 6 years old that ALL of creation including my own human body , all animal life, all plant life, etc...'just happened' by accidents upon accidents with no intended purpose and without any intelligent input .... I would have said : 'Why are you trying to kid me ?' 'How can an accidental pond scum protozoa have the ability to eventually make everything that lives ?' Of course, some kids will believe in any ol kind of wild imagination and even do so when they turn into adults...but by then, they do it because it FITS IN well with their lifestyle choices which should we say are...not quite up to the moral mark yet does offer temporary pleasure before requiring a refill.

 

[Desk trauma]

Never heard of 'em. As a whole, Christianity's history is littered with... well, not peace. lol.

They are commonly referred to as Quakers.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

Originally Posted by selfinflikted As a whole, Christianity's history is littered with... well, not peace. lol

REPLY: Im glad youre only referring to psuedo-Christianity and not the real genuine thing .

Real Atheism will always lead the way of great unrest and many millions of murders according to history....based on the precise ideologies of Atheism put into practice.
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[Paradoxum]

Well, what happened?

I questioned. I was lied to about creationism being true and after that I realised that other beliefs of mine might be false too. I realised I trusted scientists more than the opinion of one group of Christians. I read more about different types of Christianity and tried to understand things like the Trinity and Incarnation as best I could. My faith slowly became more reasonable and based on evidence, but further from common evangelical beliefs. I could no longer wave away the contradictions in the Bible and realised morality is deeper than the rules of the Bible. Heaven and hell became confused concepts that I couldn't understand. One if the biggest things was realising that the religious experiences I had felt could just be me making them up in my mind. Slowly, very slowly, I lost it... I tried to hold on.

There are still two things I know I don't properly understand: how Christianity started, and healings.

What caused you to desire to distance yourself from God , now and for all of eternity?

When did you stop beating your wife?

There are of course emotional elements to the deconversion, but I'm not sure who wont try to turn it against me. If I am going to be open about my feelings I don't want you to delegitimize my intellectual position because of my feelings.

Do u believe this is a wise decision considering the big picture? Id really like to know .

What bigger picture? I don't think I believe in God... how am I meant to fear a non-existent hell? Half of me wishes there is a God; I want to feel loved forever for who I am, but I don't feel right trying to brainwash myself, however good it feels.

You cannot believe in the true God and believe that he lied in His Word.

Revelation isn't literal either. I'm sure you don't believe there will be a real ten headed dragon. Both are non-literal ways of expressing a truth.