Creationism is Inappropriate for Children

[someguy14]

Except for when he sends grizzly bears to mangle them to pieces.

Wickedness delights in destroying itself. We witness this everyday, those that are persecuted for God. Wicked kids, servants of the devil, delighted in attacking Elisha, God shows that wickedness is worthless. If ones delight is in wickedness, that ones delight is against God, Life itself.

 

[selfinflikted]

Without God, love doesnt exist.

I am an atheist, which taken literally means, without god. I also have a partner whom I love very, very much. So, as you can see, love can and does exist without god.

 

[someguy14]

I am an atheist,

So your icon states.

 

[selfinflikted]

God is the only truth.

What truth has ever come from god?

True science agrees with God or its a lie, non existent, fail, delusion.

True science agrees with reality, not imagined deities.

 

[Paradoxum]

Without God, love doesnt exist. Unless one debases love to mean selfishness, greed and coveting, lust.(in other words, worthlessness, rejection of God.)

I love my family and friends.

All serve goodness or wickedness. One or the other, regardless of how much one attempts to not choose a side, that one chooses a side. Goodness cannot go against goodness and wickedness cannot go against wickedness. One doesnt need argue with this fact, one will realize it sooner or later and all of mankind, male or female, is without excuse.

I choose goodness.

No matter your response, God is correct, and all others fail.

No matter your response, Zeus is correct, and all others fail.

You need to have good reasons for what you say, you can't just make a statement and hope people will agree with you.

 

[selfinflikted]

Wickedness delights in destroying itself. We witness this everyday, those that are persecuted for God. Wicked kids, servants of the devil, delighted in attacking Elisha, God shows that wickedness is worthless. If ones delight is in wickedness, that ones delight is against God, Life itself.

Yes, because killing children for making fun of a bald guy is love incarnate.

 

[KCfromNC]

I don't even know what this means.

It means that some believers are so caught up in themselves that they can't comprehend that anyone might be different from them. They have to recast everything into various levels of emotional religious fervor since that's all they know.

 

[someguy14]

which taken literally means, without god. I also have a partner whom I love very, very much. So, as you can see, love can and does exist without god.

It is so easy to say, "prove it", as many non believers in God flaunt around to run away cowardly from a post.

Love is not some, "this is mine, and I will kill for it if you mess with me", concept. Thats animalistic, beastly. Not even that high of grade.

Love is a higher sense of purpose that intends no harm to any, no constant bickering against others and forcing itself upon others. Before one claims to accuse me of this, notice the website address. Love is a higher calling, to love all, not ones own possession, or delusion possession. One love for the Creator of all, Love itself. Trusting in the things that perish lead to loads of problems. Resentment because of death, resentment because of decay. Obsession with one that leaves, unwillfully. Life indeed means life. That means life cannot be non existent since life is in fact life, living. All enjoy life, and life is not a b__ch, life is good. Pain is bad. Notice the difference. Life is good, pain is bad. A seperation. Basic. Ignoring that by rejecting the clear truth, only supports lies. Delusions. God is life and since God created all, all desire God, regardless of angels, mankind, or demons. To be without God is to be without satisfaction. To be against God is to be against love. God is love.

 

[someguy14]

What truth has ever come from god?

Regardless of how much one wants to take credit for it, God already created it.

 

[someguy14]

True science agrees with reality, not imagined deities.

All reality is from God, and God alone. Whoever attempts to seperate truth from truth, is delusional.

 

[someguy14]

You need to have good reasons for what you say, you can't just make a statement and hope people will agree with you.

I guarantee you, that all of those that trust in the perishing world, will disagree with me.
All reason and purpose and intellect and logic are from God alone. The only illogical response, is a response against the Creator of all, God Himself.

 

[someguy14]

Yes, because killing children for making fun of a bald guy is love incarnate.

Those kids that were attacking Elisha for being bald, were servents of the devil. Servents of the devil only seek to steal, kill and destroy. Against truth, against logic, against reason, against life itself. Murderers, guided by the devil himself. They would willfully and joyfully kill you as well.

 

[selfinflikted]

It is so easy to say, "prove it", as many non believers in God flaunt around to run away cowardly from a post.

Love is not some, "this is mine, and I will kill for it if you mess with me", concept. Thats animalistic, beastly. Not even that high of grade.

Love is a higher sense of purpose that intends no harm to any, no constant bickering against others and forcing itself upon others. Before one claims to accuse me of this, notice the website address. Love is a higher calling, to love all, not ones own possession, or delusion possession. One love for the Creator of all, Love itself. Trusting in the things that perish lead to loads of problems. Resentment because of death, resentment because of decay. Obsession with one that leaves, unwillfully. Life indeed means life. That means life cannot be non existent since life is in fact life, living. All enjoy life, and life is not a b__ch, life is good. Pain is bad. Notice the difference. Life is good, pain is bad. A seperation. Basic. Ignoring that by rejecting the clear truth, only supports lies. Delusions. God is life and since God created all, all desire God, regardless of angels, mankind, or demons. To be without God is to be without satisfaction. To be against God is to be against love. God is love.

Cool story, bro?

 

[selfinflikted]

Regardless of how much one wants to take credit for it, God already created it.

All reality is from God, and God alone. Whoever attempts to seperate truth from truth, is delusional.

Can you back up any of these statements? Why should I take your word for it?

 

[selfinflikted]

Those kids that were attacking Elisha for being bald, were servents of the devil. Servents of the devil only seek to steal, kill and destroy. Against truth, against logic, against reason, against life itself. Murderers, guided by the devil himself. They would willfully and joyfully kill you as well.

How do you know this? As far as I know, the scripture doesn't back any of that up.

 

[GregorytheWatchman]

All I can say is Wow! For some reason I got this happy birthday message in my inbox so I signed in here to see what it was all about. A "Christian" forum completely taken over by atheist and those who wouldn't know educational or personal liberty if it bit them in the butt. All I read is pure ignorance and judgment of how other people do things.

Evolution is as much of a religion as anything else is. It requires faith for you people to believe something that you don't see. You read story's about the ancient fish fossil that has a bone that looks similar to a bone we have so therefore evolution is fact. I just don't see it that way. Sure things evolve, they adapt, they overcome, but they don't change species. The biggest critic of the THEORY, by the way it is still a THEORY, was Darwin himself. Repeating what you hear or what you read as actual fact doesn't make you smart or knowledgeable, it simply makes you a repeater. There isn't one shred of FACT that shows that I came from apes or monkeys, yet you want me to accept your religion and teach it to my children as if it is fact. You need to realize that you yourself have a religion...surely not led by a god in your mind, but you do have a religion and it is the religion of man. You are one of the many fools who believe that modern man is the apex of everything before us, and that he is somehow full of knowledge. In reality man is simply full of himself and has rejected God and we are beginning to pay that price.

My personal thoughts are...who gives a flying rats behind? Perhaps evolution could be true, but does that automatically make creation false? I don't think so. If you look at the steps of creation does evolution not follow that same track in a sense? Should the All Mighty God need to explain every biological change He made in animals to explain His creation? Would all of this unnecessary knowledge helped or hindered man and his understanding of the Bible? If you traveled back in time and handed them one of your "books of faith" on evolution and walked away, do you think it would have served an purpose? Besides the walk with God is about faith, if there isn't anything that you could possibly doubt then where would faith come in? The whole notion that you have to choose between the two and reject what is left, is completely untrue and only preached by those who want to control your thought. Anti God scientist on one hand and Anti science preachers on the other. I don't remember Christ listing the belief of non belief of evolution or creation as a requirement for salvation. So in the end is just more legalistic mumbo jumbo.

Now for your people who find it necessary to rag on home schoolers, there lies the pure ignorance of man. You think it is necessary to turn your 4 year olds over to the state to raise them for you, obviously some don't. My wife has her Doctorate and I'm a pretty smart fellow, and we do just fine with our kids at home. You claim they get no true socialization, as if that is a bad thing. You think the kids get the best lessons for life sitting in a classroom of 40 kids the same age and one all knowing authority figure controlling the herd? The classes only go as quickly as the slowest student which leaves most bored out of their mind. My children know how to act around humans from the age of birth through a hundred years old. They aren't the hyperactive process food filled animals that I see when going into town. I don't blame the school when they act up, I take care of it myself. That is one of the last true bastions of freedom in this nation, and that is the ability to choose to educate your kids at home. In 1979 we were the tops in education in the world, and in 1980 the Federal Government took over education with the DOE. Now we have dropped down into the thirties because of such great programs as "No Child Left Behind". Schools now need to pass certain test and that is what the spend their time teaching. It isn't about individualism or actually teaching the children, it is about learning to pass those test. There have been many schools, in Oklahoma alone, that have been caught cheating in order to have better test scores for the feds. Do you really think that the education of our children is the first priority any longer? I don't. The federal government has no business in the local education of children. Just another facet of life that the BEAST has taken over. Yes I said the Beast...we live in the belly and nobody even seems to mind. But the Bible says it will be this way so I believe.

I really had the hopes that given a name like "christianforums" that it would be people celebrating the love of Christ and the love of individual liberty that He taught us so much about. I am very disappointed to see that trolls and anti Christians are a constant disruption, or perhaps it was set up to be this way. Who knows.

When it comes down to it you can not add requirements to salvation through Christ, and if you are guilty of that by using an argument like evolution vs. creation, then you are no longer helping the message, you are speaking falsely. Those who can't stand the thoughts of home schooling would be wise to read the Communist Manifesto and its 10 steps of goals. And then wonder why the federal government has standardized all the information for every kid across the nation. While you look into that take a gander at the teaching of history. Are your children being taught to question the government and about the constant atrocities and lies of your government? Or are they being taught that the federal government is their friend and is there to take care of them from birth through death? Just what we need....more generations of the "entitlement kids" who think that government should handle everything for you. Then ask yourself...if I don't carry this number, the number that represents my name to the BEAST government, can I travel outside the country? Can I use a bank? Can I open a business and trade? It's creeping up on you people and this nation is full of boiling frogs who are clueless. We choose to follow the wide road of worldly living rather than the narrow path to Gods love and righteousness.

Enjoy your day, love God, and love one another. The rest is all extra and quite meaningless.

Dale
Ada, Oklahoma

 

[selfinflikted]

Gregory, this is the section of the forums that is open to everyone. If you like, you can go to the Christian Only sections so you don't have to see the heathens posting.

 

[Skaloop]

Evolution is as much of a religion as anything else is. It requires faith for you people to believe something that you don't see. You read story's about the ancient fish fossil that has a bone that looks similar to a bone we have so therefore evolution is fact. I just don't see it that way. Sure things evolve, they adapt, they overcome, but they don't change species. The biggest critic of the THEORY, by the way it is still a THEORY, was Darwin himself. Repeating what you hear or what you read as actual fact doesn't make you smart or knowledgeable, it simply makes you a repeater. There isn't one shred of FACT that shows that I came from apes or monkeys, yet you want me to accept your religion and teach it to my children as if it is fact. You need to realize that you yourself have a religion...surely not led by a god in your mind, but you do have a religion and it is the religion of man. You are one of the many fools who believe that modern man is the apex of everything before us, and that he is somehow full of knowledge. In reality man is simply full of himself and has rejected God and we are beginning to pay that price.

My personal thoughts are...who gives a flying rats behind? Perhaps evolution could be true, but does that automatically make creation false? I don't think so. If you look at the steps of creation does evolution not follow that same track in a sense? Should the All Mighty God need to explain every biological change He made in animals to explain His creation? Would all of this unnecessary knowledge helped or hindered man and his understanding of the Bible? If you traveled back in time and handed them one of your "books of faith" on evolution and walked away, do you think it would have served an purpose? Besides the walk with God is about faith, if there isn't anything that you could possibly doubt then where would faith come in? The whole notion that you have to choose between the two and reject what is left, is completely untrue and only preached by those who want to control your thought. Anti God scientist on one hand and Anti science preachers on the other. I don't remember Christ listing the belief of non belief of evolution or creation as a requirement for salvation. So in the end is just more legalistic mumbo jumbo.

Now for your people who find it necessary to rag on home schoolers, there lies the pure ignorance of man. You think it is necessary to turn your 4 year olds over to the state to raise them for you, obviously some don't. My wife has her Doctorate and I'm a pretty smart fellow, and we do just fine with our kids at home

I love the juxtaposition between the first two paragraphs, then that sentence from the third paragraph. A screed full of PRATTs and strawmen and demonstrations of scientific illiteracy, followed soon after by an assurance that he could teach his kids just fine. If he's teaching his kids evolution the way he presented it here, he's not teaching them anything.

I'm also curious about what field his wife has her Doctorate in.

 

[Cromulent]

For someone's first post here, that really encompasses all of the CF clichés, it led with "the godless have taken over CHRISTIAN forums", then went all the way through "evolution takes more faith to believe than imaginary sky-friend", right to "the gummint is after our children".

Bravo, sir.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The bible is as much of a science as any other, but it is social science; the why's and wherefore's of human behaviour and interaction. It is a map out of the forest or jungle of human social problems (apologies to forests and jungles). Hard science is useful in bringing us a safer and more comfortable physical life, but it is the social science found in the bible that has the most value to humanity. If the scientific mindset of evolutionary thought results in a better life for all give it credit, but also credit the Christian religion for showing us how to live peaceably with each other. (End of Sermon; coffee and donuts at the back of the hall.)