Do you wear a tallit in church?

[Frogster]

People can wear whatever they want, none of my business, but my problem with it, is that those who are infusing Messianic Judaism in our charismatic churches, say that if we do wear it, we will "get the anointing".

So that means that those who don't wear the garment are not getting the ???

This is a works teaching. And personally, sorry, with all due respect, but in my opinion they look silly huddled under it, and it can be a distraction. Go huddle at home.

Needless to say, a little leaven leavens the whole lump, these are also folks who say we should do Shabbat to get peace, yet he alone is our peace according to scripture, we don't need external rituals to get peace.

These same people say God hears us better if we say the OT scriptures in Hebrew. Need I say more?

These are folks who say it is a sin to eat a shrimp scampi, after all, it is against the Mosaic code.

So, where do you stand on all this?

 

[Biblicist]

People can wear whatever they want, none of my business, but my problem with it, is that those who are infusing Messianic Judaism in our charismatic churches, say that if we do wear it, we will "get the anointing".

As one infamous televangelist once said, "Adam grew wings and flew to the moon"; maybe if we stick some feathers on our back then we can do the same - what a crazy world it can be Frogster!

 

[Always in His Presence]

Who cares. I don't let others dictate my beliefs, nor do I fret a out them.

That is where I stand on it.

 

[Frogster]

As one infamous televangelist once said, "Adam grew wings and flew to the moon"; maybe if we stick some feathers on our back then we can do the same - what a crazy world it can be Frogster!

Good one!

 

[Frogster]

Try to understand how important it was, for God to send paul to jerusalem by revelation to fight this type of thing off. God cares.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Try to understand how important it was, for God to send paul to jerusalem by revelation to fight this type of thing off. God cares.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Try to understand how important it was, for God to send paul to jerusalem by revelation to fight this type of thing off. God cares.

I don't think God frets over His children acting goofy. Joe, God just isn't that touchy. He looks on the heart.

 

[Frogster]

I knew you would understand.

 

[Frogster]

I don't think God frets over His children acting goofy. Joe, God just isn't that touchy. He looks on the heart.

Paul fought this Spirit in Galatia, Philippi, Corinth, Ephesus, Colossae, and Crete, and in fact he wrote against it alot because it takes away from the Gospel. So we must know God was touchy about it, they were deserting Christ, when they heeded this doctrine, so i disagree in no small manner.

Isn't leaving Christ a sign that their hearts were in the wrong place?

 

[Frogster]

I don't think God frets over His children acting goofy. Joe, God just isn't that touchy. He looks on the heart.

Just out of curiousity, would you let this doctrine invade your church?

So if people brought this teaching, with the things in the op, would you just sort of write it off as goofy?

 

[Yitzchak]

I suspect that most people who throw around the word legalistic have seldom seen the type of legalism that the Bible speaks about. A Legalist is not a person who follows rule and commandments. It is a person who makes the letter of the law higher than the Spirit of the law. Even to the point of twisting things so far that they are actually not following the commands of God.

Someone thinking that God will place an anointing upon a prayer shawl is not legalism. That is just labeling someone with a label. Like Mccarthyism during the cold war which called a bunch of people Communists.

The Church and the purity of the gospel is not in danger because some people choose to pray with a prayer shawl or because they pray in Hebrew.

 

[someguy14]

People can wear whatever they want, none of my business, but my problem with it, is that those who are infusing Messianic Judaism in our charismatic churches, say that if we do wear it, we will "get the anointing".

So that means that those who don't wear the garment are not getting the ???

This is a works teaching. And personally, sorry, with all due respect, but in my opinion they look silly huddled under it, and it can be a distraction. Go huddle at home.

Needless to say, a little leaven leavens the whole lump, these are also folks who say we should do Shabbat to get peace, yet he alone is our peace according to scripture, we don't need external rituals to get peace.

These same people say God hears us better if we say the OT scriptures in Hebrew. Need I say more?

These are folks who say it is a sin to eat a shrimp scampi, after all, it is against the Mosaic code.

So, where do you stand on all this?

Who stands firm on condemning tallit...
All things are pure...
Only God is worthy to judge, wear anything your heart is inclined.
None is above God. Mere man is only judged by God and God alone. We accept all of you and if some desire to destroy us, please God, your will alone be done.
God is the only good.

 

[someguy14]

DC Talk - Jesus Freak - YouTube

 

[Tobias]

I did the Messianic thing for a while, and this is what I found:

Part of the covenant God had with Israel involved the keeping of rituals that had spiritual significance. Therefore the Jews were blessed because they kept these rituals, preserving a knowledge of God through their actions from one generation to the next.

With the New Covenant many of the Jews who continued to keep the rituals from the Old Covenant found themselves falling into legalism and the belief that works were necessary for salvation. So Paul made it clear that the keeping of the rituals was/is no longer necessary for right standing before God.

The rituals themselves however have never lost their meaning. With spiritual understanding we can unlock the message hidden therein. The promise made to Abraham was that through his seed all the nations of the Earth will be blessed. And sure we see this mostly through Jesus; but there is also a wealth of history and knowledge of God infused within the Jewish traditions.

I personally feel I have been blessed by Abraham's seed by learning from my Rabbi what all he understood from his people's traditions and how it applies to Christianity. There came a time though when the requirement to preform outweighed the benefits of the lessons, and I had to bail out. I think though that the understanding of the meaning behind the rituals is the real blessing, and those who choose to continue to perform them may do so with my blessing as long as they don't feel it is a general requirement for all believers.

 

[Optimax]

People can wear whatever they want, none of my business, but my problem with it, is that those who are infusing Messianic Judaism in our charismatic churches, say that if we do wear it, we will "get the anointing".

So that means that those who don't wear the garment are not getting the ???

This is a works teaching. And personally, sorry, with all due respect, but in my opinion they look silly huddled under it, and it can be a distraction. Go huddle at home.

Needless to say, a little leaven leavens the whole lump, these are also folks who say we should do Shabbat to get peace, yet he alone is our peace according to scripture, we don't need external rituals to get peace.

These same people say God hears us better if we say the OT scriptures in Hebrew. Need I say more?

These are folks who say it is a sin to eat a shrimp scampi, after all, it is against the Mosaic code.

So, where do you stand on all this?

Nope.

Don't wear one!

Where's the shrimp?

 

[Frogster]

I suspect that most people who throw around the word legalistic have seldom seen the type of legalism that the Bible speaks about. A Legalist is not a person who follows rule and commandments. It is a person who makes the letter of the law higher than the Spirit of the law. Even to the point of twisting things so far that they are actually not following the commands of God.

Someone thinking that God will place an anointing upon a prayer shawl is not legalism. That is just labeling someone with a label. Like Mccarthyism during the cold war which called a bunch of people Communists.

The Church and the purity of the gospel is not in danger because some people choose to pray with a prayer shawl or because they pray in Hebrew.

The purity of the Gospel was the issue, Paul said it about what happend both times in Antioch when those of Jusaistic forces were adding these additions to the church, it was back door Judaism, sorry, but look at these, and tell me again that it was not about the purity of the Gospel. No mixing please.

Gal 2:5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you



Gal 2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

 

[Frogster]

I did the Messianic thing for a while, and this is what I found:

Part of the covenant God had with Israel involved the keeping of rituals that had spiritual significance. Therefore the Jews were blessed because they kept these rituals, preserving a knowledge of God through their actions from one generation to the next.

With the New Covenant many of the Jews who continued to keep the rituals from the Old Covenant found themselves falling into legalism and the belief that works were necessary for salvation. So Paul made it clear that the keeping of the rituals was/is no longer necessary for right standing before God.

The rituals themselves however have never lost their meaning. With spiritual understanding we can unlock the message hidden therein. The promise made to Abraham was that through his seed all the nations of the Earth will be blessed. And sure we see this mostly through Jesus; but there is also a wealth of history and knowledge of God infused within the Jewish traditions.

I personally feel I have been blessed by Abraham's seed by learning from my Rabbi what all he understood from his people's traditions and how it applies to Christianity. There came a time though when the requirement to preform outweighed the benefits of the lessons, and I had to bail out. I think though that the understanding of the meaning behind the rituals is the real blessing, and those who choose to continue to perform them may do so with my blessing as long as they don't feel it is a general requirement for all believers.

Sure, there is alot to learn from the OT. But I think that when people get caught up in this system, it's symptomatic of a bigger issue.

Distraction from the risen Christ. We can learn of Jewish Jesus on earth to the point where it becomes in favor of the Christ in us. Paul stressed that christ, not the christ in his Judaism, all while he used pre circumcised Abraham, and the gospel and the Spirit, as he fought judaism off the church.

And from my experiences also, many in the movement do teach it is required to keep feasts and practice food ordinances. And of course, we all must say Yeshua now, that's code for the elitist mindset, that implies others are saying it the pagan way, when they say Jesus.

 

[Frogster]

Nope.

Don't wear one!

Where's the shrimp?

getting sizzled in lemon and garlic.

 

[New_Wineskin]

People can wear whatever they want, none of my business, but my problem with it, is that those who are infusing Messianic Judaism in our charismatic churches, say that if we do wear it, we will "get the anointing".

This is no different than charasmatic churches teaching tithing for a blessing of some sort .

 

[Frogster]

I suspect that most people who throw around the word legalistic have seldom seen the type of legalism that the Bible speaks about. A Legalist is not a person who follows rule and commandments. It is a person who makes the letter of the law higher than the Spirit of the law. Even to the point of twisting things so far that they are actually not following the commands of God.

Someone thinking that God will place an anointing upon a prayer shawl is not legalism. That is just labeling someone with a label. Like Mccarthyism during the cold war which called a bunch of people Communists.

The Church and the purity of the gospel is not in danger because some people choose to pray with a prayer shawl or because they pray in Hebrew.

The bottom line is, the forces that be were trying to add judaism, law, all of it as a growth program, for sanctification, as a new and "better" way to live, and that can easily be proved in scripture.

So it can all sound neat, but what's behind it?