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Yes. There is no guarantee that every Christian is a real Christian.
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Yes. There is no guarantee that every Christian is a real Christian.
How about it being forbidden to boil a baby goat in the milk of its mother? Deuteronomy 14:21. Please explain how this is a law we need today.
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We seldom do that today in the developed world. But what it says still stand. In particular, the reason for it is still very true and is widely applicable today.
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And what reason is that?
Now, I assume that since the law specifically forbids boiling it in the milk of its own mother that this is the only time it is prohibited. In other words, it should be perfectly fine to boil it in the milk of a female goat that is NOT its mother, yes?
So since the milk is the only thing different, what makes it so bad?
Now, I assume that since the law specifically forbids boiling it in the milk of its own mother that this is the only time it is prohibited. In other words, it should be perfectly fine to boil it in the milk of a female goat that is NOT its mother, yes?
So since the milk is the only thing different, what makes it so bad?
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And what reason is that?
Now, I assume that since the law specifically forbids boiling it in the milk of its own mother that this is the only time it is prohibited. In other words, it should be perfectly fine to boil it in the milk of a female goat that is NOT its mother, yes?
So since the milk is the only thing different, what makes it so bad?
Now, I assume that since the law specifically forbids boiling it in the milk of its own mother that this is the only time it is prohibited. In other words, it should be perfectly fine to boil it in the milk of a female goat that is NOT its mother, yes?
So since the milk is the only thing different, what makes it so bad?
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That is one vile list, if ever I saw one. Fear is a sin (#6)? Not spanking a disobedient child is a sin (#64)? Wearing gold jewellery (#72)? Despising government (#142)? And so on and so forth.
I also note it is taking quite some liberties with the bible. For example, not wearing clothes made out of two different materials is not mentioned, strangely enough (as if). And Titus 2:9 is quoted as employees arguing with employers. Now, stating this as a sin is already quite vile to begin with, but it misrepresents the actual quote as well, given that Titus 2:9 is actually talking about slaves, not employees. Employees are not slaves.
Which automatically leads to another fun subject regarding the immorality of the bible. Slavery.
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There might be some subtle scientific differences. But we can skip it and say that material-wise, there is no difference.
But psychologically, and socially, there is a big big difference. Even today, that commandment is still a very valid one.
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You do not understand (many things). In particular, you don't know at all what a sin is.
Slavery is a very idealized noble system. It turned out to be bad because people are sinful. Even so, there are many excellent master-slave relationships.
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Slavery always entails the ownership of other human beings. That is the very definition of slavery. How can there be anything good there, ever?
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Yes, there could be A LOT benefits to the slave (and to the master), if the situation is desirable.
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I think people by nature are striving towards leading lives of value. People may misconcieve this, and end up doing negative things, or even believe negatives are positives, or there is no difference etc. Or there may be value relativity and conflit such that what's bad for me is good for another. But is we define "decency" as "worthy of moral respect" and infer that striving towards the good - the positive life-values - is respectable, then if all by nature own that condition existentially we can say all are decent at least in form, if not in content, if you get by drift.*
*i.e. the form is the human propensity to strive for life-value which is decent, whereas the content is the realisation or attempt at realisaiton of this drive which may or may not be decent depending on the specific behaviour and rationale expressed.
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People who love other people generally do not demand those other people become their slaves.
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