PEANUT GALLERY-FORMAL DEBATE-Sabbath for Christians; Obligation or Not?

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Link to the formal debate: Sabbath for Christians; Obligation or Not?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

The Opening post is up! #2

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Subscribing

 

[Stryder06]

Hmmmmmm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

[FONT=&quot]Introduction and overview for the Bible Creation Sabbath Affirmative[/FONT]
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I do not spend much time on that one Mark 7 point - since I suppose that the opposition to the Bible Sabbath that is coming - will seek to abolish the Law of God rather than edit it.

in Christ,

Bob

How about the idols?

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV
"abolish"
occurs 1 time in 1 verse in the KJV

KJV) Isaiah 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish. {he...: or, shall utterly pass away}

KJV) Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood:
which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
KJV) Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver and precious stones and of pearls,
and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet,
and all thyine wood and all manner vessels of ivory and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass and iron and marble,

 

[Clare73]

[FONT=&quot]Introduction and overview for the Bible Creation Sabbath Affirmative[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]There are a number of annual Sabbaths listed in Leviticus 23 - some of them are feasts (for example Passover) and some of them are not (such as the Day of Atonement) - but all of the annual Sabbaths are based on animal sacrifices pointing forward to the death of Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]in Christ,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Bob[/FONT]

Biblical FYI:

Every day was based on animal sacrifices pointing forward to the death of Christ.

Two sacrifices, morning and evening, were offered every day (Nu 28:3-4),
including the weekly Sabbaths.
The sacrifices pointed to the death of Christ 360 days a year.

Sacrifices were not peculiar to Sabbaths.
Nor is the meaning of the sacrifices linked to Sabbaths any more than it is linked to every other day of the year.
The Sabbaths are not the indicators of the meaning of the sacrifices.

Rather, the shedding of animal blood for one's sin is the indicator of the meaning of the sacrifices, as shadows of the reality in Christ of substitutionary atonement for sin.

And the Sabbaths are shadows of the reality in Christ of rest from all work to save ourselves.

The Sabbaths and the sacrifices are each shadows of different realities in Christ.

 

[from scratch]

Hey this ought to be an interesting debate. I can't believe someone would debate bugkiller on this issue.

I already see several things bugkiller will have a field day with. So scoot over LLOJ and share your popcorn. This may get crowded. I'll get my own soda Thanks.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey this ought to be an interesting debate. I can't believe someone would debate bugkiller on this issue.

I already see several things bugkiller will have a field day with. So scoot over LLOJ and share your popcorn. This may get crowded. I'll get my own soda Thanks.

I got my pork ribs with all the trimmings and Lone Star beer to wash it down with. All are invited to my place to share in it.


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[Frogster]

even the mighty, ever illustrious, all knowing frog, would not want to debate bugkiller.

 

[Frogster]

I got my pork ribs with all the trimmings and Lone Star beer to wash it down with. All are invited to my place to share in it.


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is it your treat? u payinnnn?

 

[x141]

To me, God and the life that the father has in himself is not separate from the law of life that proceeded from him in the person of Christ. It is our perception of that law that brings us into bondage to a rod cast down making the law of life into the law of sin and death. Jesus fuflilled the law by becoming this life in flesh and now the son of man who is the son of God is seated in his father's throne in the glory of one before the world was and is in the process of drawing all things back into the father that God might be the all that is in the all; our minds being renewed to see this truth that was before the world was, wherein now we are seated.

If the law of God is separate from the life of God then God is divided. It takes two to have a disagreement, two can't walk together unless they first agree and the agreement can only be found in one.

 

[Clare73]

I got my pork ribs with all the trimmings and Lone Star beer to wash it down with. All are invited to my place to share in it.


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So what time's the party?

 

[Clare73]

even the mighty, ever illustrious, all knowing frog, would not want to debate bugkiller.

Oh-h-h-h. . .this is gonna' be good!

 

[from scratch]

I have some questions for Bob based on his opening post.

I thought this was a deabate on obligation or of the sabbath.

And my first question is what does the whole law have to do with the discussion? The discussion is not about keeping the law. The sabbath is outside of the law according to the SDA as a creation event occuring before the law.

Is the Bible being limited to the OT? The reason I want to know is does that invalidate what Paul wrote? The Bereans agreed with Paul, so why not his writings?

Why do you quote only part of Paul's quote in Hebrews and indicate it is a full quote of Jeremiah 31:31-33? Isn't that just a little decietful? That would make it appear the covenant is the one made with Israel being remade with them. That isn't true.

So what if Paul mentions or refers to the 10Cs.Where does Paul say keep the sabbath?

What do you mean by estblish the law? Do you mean that obligates people to keep the law?

There is no statement pertaining to application of the law in Rom 3:31.

Can you explain the context of I Cor 7:19 since you seem to post it all over GT.

Isn't MK 7 a little out of context with the title of the thread?

Can we have some more input on the party?

 

[Clare73]

I have some questions for Bob based on his opening post.

I thought this was a deabate on obligation or of the sabbath.

And my first question is what does the whole law have to do with the discussion? The discussion is not about keeping the law. The sabbath is outside of the law according to the SDA as a creation event occuring before the law.

Is the Bible being limited to the OT? The reason I want to know is does that invalidate what Paul wrote? The Bereans agreed with Paul, so why not his writings?

Why do you quote only part of Paul's quote in Hebrews and indicate it is a full quote of Jeremiah 31:31-33? Isn't that just a little decietful? That would make it appear the covenant is the one made with Israel being remade with them. That isn't true.

So what if Paul mentions or refers to the 10Cs.Where does Paul say keep the sabbath?

What do you mean by estblish the law? Do you mean that obligates people to keep the law?

There is no statement pertaining to application of the law in Rom 3:31.

Can you explain the context of I Cor 7:19 since you seem to post it all over GT.

Isn't MK 7 a little out of context with the title of the thread?

Can we have some more input on the party?

We've moved it to my house!

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

The second post is up; #3.

 

[MamaZ]

I want in on this too. I will bring the desert..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Frogster even the mighty, ever illustrious, all knowing frog, would not want to debate bugkiller.

If I was a sabbath Law keeper, I wouldn't want to debate either one of you

 

[from scratch]

If I was a sabbath Law keeper, I wouldn't want to debate either one of you

Why not? I think it would be interesting to read. Speaking of that what do you think about bugkiller's first post in the debate?

 

[from scratch]

We've moved it to my house!

Texas BBQ is better.