What's with all the conspiracy theories?

[stillangela]

The name calling and labelling usually follows when the responder has no point. The label "conspiracy theorist" is a thought stopper. if we dropped the labels, and simply discussed evidence, facts, crap or whatever it may be, this place might actually live up to its name ...a "forum".

I ABSOLUTELY agree with dropping the labels. Nobody wants to be called a "conspiracy theorist," because we get images of aluminum foil hats. However, if people would research the information themselves, they could make an informed decision. Notice I said, "informed," because even when we've been informed, we are known to be wrong, on occasion.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

The name calling and labelling usually follows when the responder has no point. The label "conspiracy theorist" is a thought stopper. if we dropped the labels, and simply discussed evidence, facts, crap or whatever it may be, this place might actually live up to its name ...a "forum".

The problem, of course, is the people who insist that the crap is the facts, and the facts are crap.

 

[Nekoda]

There are a couple of molds. But all conspiracy theorists fit into at least one of them.



Ooh. OK, well, I'll probably regret this, but what conspiratorial belief would you be more comfortable without?

This one:

911 Taboo - No Plane Theory - Ghengis6199 - Breaking The Matrix - YouTube

And this one:

SEPTEMBER CLUES - full version - YouTube

 

[Chris81]

I love conspiracies, it fact I am part of a shadow group that meets every Thursday at midnight in an abandoned victorian mansion for the purposes of creating conspiracy theories to get paranoid people something to get all work up about. Our group has been a great success, we started with the whole Y2k scare and as you might expect we started the whole Birther movement. It's been great, just wait to see what we have in the works just one month before the Presidential election!

 

[usexpat97]

Once you realize you've been lied to, you become more mistrusting. In fact, that mistrust is justified. Hence, it only takes one or two conspiracy theories to be correct, and it only follows naturally that more conspiracy theories will follow; be they correct or not. Those people whom it completely escapes them that theories are proven correct all the time, either they are not interested in rational discourse or they're incapable of it. Or both.

 

[farmer joe]

The name calling and labelling usually follows when the responder has no point. The label "conspiracy theorist" is a thought stopper. if we dropped the labels, and simply discussed evidence, facts, crap or whatever it may be, this place might actually live up to its name ...a "forum".

Amen to you, and Nekoda.

 

[flicka]

I've yet to see an outcome or good reason for these conspiracies. Wouldn't you think there was a point to them?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

This one:

911 Taboo - No Plane Theory - Ghengis6199 - Breaking The Matrix - YouTube

And this one:

SEPTEMBER CLUES - full version - YouTube

I didn't watch the videos, but I'm familiar with most most truther theories, which version do you subscribe to?

 

[Nekoda]

I didn't watch the videos, but I'm familiar with most most truther theories, which version do you subscribe to?

There is a ton of information in both videos, especially the second(September Clues). The analysis of the video done in that speaks for itself. Why not take a look?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

There is a ton of information in both videos, especially the second(September Clues). The analysis of the video done in that speaks for itself. Why not take a look?

Because I've seen it all before. Again, what version of the truther theory do you subscribe to?

 

[Nekoda]

I've yet to see an outcome or good reason for these conspiracies. Wouldn't you think there was a point to them?

Every real conspiracy has a point or points. Take 911. The invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq and now possibly Iran wouldn't have been possible without an event like 911. Trillions of dollars wouldn't have flowed to the pockets of military contractors and surveillance companies as a result of it. The control of Middle East oil, gas and even opium production (Afghanistan) wouldn't be a reality without it. Americans and other freedom loving countries wouldn't be so eager to trade their freedoms for "security" unless it happened.

And most of all - the mighty fiat currency called the US Dollar wouldn't stand a chance if other countries collectively decided to trade their own currencies for oil directly instead of having to buy US dollars as a "middle man" currency first. The US has been inflating it's currency massively since Vietnam - and has been able to do so only because it's the world's reserve currency. Central banks around the world are forced to hold trillions in US currency to trade for their respective country's oil. That puts the US in a very powerful position - but only as long as the US controls oil.

 

[Nekoda]

Because I've seen it all before. Again, what version of the truther theory do you subscribe to?

I posted the videos. That is the version I subscribe to, and even then it tells only part of the story. The TV fakery side. There are of course, other videos that expose other parts of the how and why. If you've really "seen it all before" - then comment on the videos posted.

And I mean point by point. Not a sweeping generalization.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

I posted the videos. That is the version I subscribe to, and even then it tells only part of the story. The TV fakery side. There are of course, other videos that expose other parts of the how and why. If you've really "seen it all before" - then comment on the videos posted.

And I mean point by point. Not a sweeping generalization.

*sigh* Make a specific point, and I'll address it specifically.

But remember a few posts back I said you'd demand an unreasonable burden of evidence, far in excess of what got you to believe the theory in the first place? Demanding point by point refutations of *everything* in a bunch of videos looks like just that.

Again, make a specific point, and we'll address it. You mention TV fakery? What TV fakery?

 

[Nekoda]

*sigh* Make a specific point, and I'll address it specifically.

But remember a few posts back I said you'd demand an unreasonable burden of evidence, far in excess of what got you to believe the theory in the first place? Demanding point by point refutations of *everything* in a bunch of videos looks like just that.

Again, make a specific point, and we'll address it. You mention TV fakery? What TV fakery?

For that, you have to watch the second video. Sorry - you want one little piece of evidence to work with and then I suspect you'll treat it as if it's the only bit of evidence. If there was only one bit of evidence, then that would be unreasonable yes?

That's why I said watch the videos. At least watch the second one. It's not "one smoking gun" - it's lot's of smoking guns.

 

[Vylo]

Conspiracies do happen but a lot the theories being passed around (birther, chemtrails, Shariah being implemented in the US, UN outlawing religion in the US, FEMA death camps, etc...) are tin foil hat city. A lot of them have some overarching single uber conspiracy that controls literally everything.

All of these will seem foolish once I finish my device which will harness the power of kittens into a lethal energy, and rule you all.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

For that, you have to watch the second video. Sorry - you want one little piece of evidence to work with and then I suspect you'll treat it as if it's the only bit of evidence. If there was only one bit of evidence, then that would be unreasonable yes?

That's why I said watch the videos. At least watch the second one. It's not "one smoking gun" - it's lot's of smoking guns.

Lets address one at a time. I won't latter try to claim there's only one. So? Pick one.

 

[KCfromNC]

People WANT there to be a big story that connects all events into a meaningful narrative.
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We are meaning addicts. If we cant find meaning, we'll invent it.
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It's especially compelling if we can be part of a small select group which knows the truth and we can look down on the unwashed masses who are brainwashed. You see it in conspiracy theories and in religion as well - notice the common claims not to be worldly and to not be in a religion but in a personal special relationship.

 

[farmer joe]

The problem, of course, is the people who insist that the crap is the facts, and the facts are crap.

Nobody is saying they are facts. But you, keep insisting that the official stories are facts. You refuse to discuss anything that may change your beliefs. Keeping your head in the sand, and closing your mind to any other possibilities . Like it has been said, can we stop the labeling and name calling and act like adults, and discuss some of these points like loving christians that we claim to be.
Yes, I have been wrong on alot of things, but I can admit it. I also like to get all sides of a story so that I can make an informed decision on what I believe. Unfortunately when ever someone posts something that doesn't come from the official story or main stream media, there is no discussion , just alot of name calling and labeling.
It seems to be purposely done to scare others from discussing it. I am going to watch both videos all the way thru. They are long video's so It may be a while before I can discuss them with others that may be interested in using this forum to discuss these possibilities.
For those that do not want to discuss them, or even veiw them, why do you bother posting your comments ? Is it to keep others from straying from your control? Why comment on something you have no clue what it may be about?

 

[farmer joe]

Sorry, it is not just you. But it does seem to always be the same people.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Sorry, it is not just you. But it does seem to always be the same people.

I think I'm pretty open minded, but on closer inspection, the official stories usually make the most sense. Sorry, but there it is. I accept the possibility that any given conspiracy might be true, but the evidence presented for most conspiracies is highly questionable, to say the least.