The apologia of the cosmos. Evidence of God

[Elioenai26]

You plagiarized this statement:

So I cannot use articles from the internet? Is that what you are saying?

 

[The Engineer]

So I cannot use articles from the internet? Is that what you are saying?

No, I'm saying that your behavior of repeatedly plagiarizing content is lazy and disrespectful and doesn't advance the topic.

By the way, my post wasn't about you plagiarizing other people's work, it was about how you ignored the counter-evidence against a mind-brain-dualism.

Again, you changed the topic, and ignored what I told you.

 

[Elioenai26]

No, I'm saying that your behavior of repeatedly plagiarizing content is lazy and disrespectful and doesn't advance the topic.

By the way, my post wasn't about you plagiarizing other people's work, it was about how you ignored the counter-evidence against a mind-brain-dualism.

Again, you changed the topic, and ignored what I told you.

Why would you want someone who repeatedly plagiarizes to respond to your question? Seems to me that if you really thought I was such a dishonest person, you would refrain from engaging me in discussion, rather than continually seeking to engage me.

 

[Davian]

I actually do know the truth,

Actually, it does not appear that you do.

and I do not need the money you speak of.

Yes, a million dollars does not go as far as you think it might. But, as you say, you have not earned it.

God provides for me according to His will, not according to the materialistic reasonings of a man; for the world is His and the fullness therein.

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

That is because you assume that what I wrote I wrote for you and the other non-theists that spend their time trying to disprove and argue against something they do not even believe exists.

But what does exist are individuals who make unsupported claims and promote them as 'truth'.

And it is not for us to disprove; the burden of evidence rests firmly with you.

I wrote what I wrote for the majority of those who read these posts. They read but never actually write replies. They are the silent witnesses that shall judge the evidence provided.

You are wrong. I was one of those 'lurkers', and what I read here prompted me to join and participate. I encourage others to do so.

 

[PursueTheTruth]

What do you believe in? Tell us so that we may know.

In probablities. I determined that the truth is likely unobtainable or at least very difficult to obtain but that we can get close to the truth when we keep our mind open to new evidence and not keeping unmovable convictions. We can get the most accurate truths by determining the most probable answers based on as much supporting evidence as we can obtain.

 

[Davian]

Someone once said that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, one of them would eventually type out all of Hamlet by chance. But when we find the text of Hamlet, we don't wonder whether it came from chance and monkeys. Why then does the atheist use that incredibly improbable explanation for the universe? Clearly, because it is his only chance of remaining an atheist. At this point we need a psychological explanation of the atheist rather than a logical explanation of the universe. Peter Kreeft

Atheism is a position on deities, not explaining the universe; do you still struggle with this?

An utterly fascinating illustration of this duping of ourselves is the latest arts building opened at Ohio State University, the Wexner Center for the Performing Arts, another one of our chimerical exploits in the name of intellectual advance. Newsweek branded this building "America's first deconstructionist building." It's white scaffolding, red brick turrets, and Colorado grass pods evoke a double take. But puzzlement only intensifies when you enter the building, for inside you encounter stairways that go nowhere, pillars that hang from the ceiling without purpose, and angled surfaces configured to create a sense of vertigo. The architect, we are duly informed, designed this building to reflect life itself-senseless and incoherent-and the "capriciousness of the rules that organize the built world." When the rationale was explained to me, I had just one question: Did he do the same with the foundation?
The laughter in response to my question unmasked the double standard our deconstructionists espouse. And that is precisely the double standard of atheism! It is possible to dress up and romanticize our bizarre experiments in social restructuring while disavowing truth or absolutes. But one dares not play such deadly games with the foundations of good thinking. Ravi Zacharias

What are these 'standards' that you think atheism has?

 

[Elioenai26]

Actually, it does not appear that you do.

Yes, a million dollars does not go as far as you think it might. But, as you say, you have not earned it.

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

But what does exist are individuals who make unsupported claims and promote them as 'truth'.

And it is not for us to disprove; the burden of evidence rests firmly with you.

You are wrong. I was one of those 'lurkers', and what I read here prompted me to join and participate. I encourage others to do so.

So I have said before, and I shall say it again as many times as is necessary for me to; I am not here to convinve you of anything, nor to attempt to convert you to anything. Those are not my purposes for joining this forum.

 

[Elioenai26]

Atheism is a position on deities, not explaining the universe; do you still struggle with this?

No. But it seems to me that you do not even know what atheism is.

What are these 'standards' that you think atheism has?

None whatsoever!

 

[Davian]

No. But it seems to me that you do not even know what atheism is.

Go on, tell me what I think.

None whatsoever!

You are right there.

 

[Davian]

So I have said before, and I shall say it again as many times as is necessary for me to; I am not here to convinve you of anything, nor to attempt to convert you to anything. Those are not my purposes for joining this forum.

So, to whom are your posts directed? To those that already believe?

 

[Danyc]

So basically, this thread has gone:

Elionai: "[Insert any applicable ridiculous plagiarized statement here]"

Everyone else: "That's wrong".

Elionai: "Well, I wasn't talking to you anyway!"

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You are familiar with the Scriptures. Have you not read where Christ said:

"I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants." Matthew 11:25

Yes, I am familiar with that passage, and I think it is open to being abused by those who have no knowledge but pretend to knowledge.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I challenge you to furnish one example of where I have ignored anything an atheist has said here.

Well, in that other thread, you ignored my response to your deeply flawed attempt at a history of atheism.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes I know. I know Jesus Christ who created the heavens and the earth. Therefore I know the truth regarding the universe and the origin of life.

That you are convinced you know I have no doubt. Whether you actually know anything of the sort is a different matter.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I do not know you personally, but I pray for you and your family, that you may turn to the Lord and repent of your sins and ask for forgiveness so that you may receive eternal life.

There is no peace unto the wicked and as long as you refuse to honor God, you shall always be filled with hate.

I hope you understand what I am saying.

This is a puzzling statement. The only way to not be filled with hate, according to you, is to honor God? I say it is puzzling because some who claim to honor god often express hatred toward those who honor a different god. This religious hatred is a major source of conflict and yet apparently atheists are the ones filled with hate.

 

[The Engineer]

Why would you want someone who repeatedly plagiarizes to respond to your question? Seems to me that if you really thought I was such a dishonest person, you would refrain from engaging me in discussion, rather than continually seeking to engage me.

I tried to stop this debate, but it didn't work. So now, I'm doing the next best thing: Exposing your arguments and your accusations for the shallow, worthless rubbish that they are.

By the way, you've done it again. You completely ignored the main issue. Completely. I've proven to you how you ignore everything that contradicts your worldview, and Archaeopteryx gave you another proof.

As of yet, you didn't comment on this.

 

[KCfromNC]

I challenge you to furnish one example of where I have ignored anything an atheist has said here.

Still waiting for peer-reviewed scientific publications showing this law of causality and the evidence behind it.

Still waiting.

 

[Elioenai26]

Still waiting.

My hands are tied KC. Remember, I am not allowed to post anything on this forum unless it is my own work. I apologize for this inconvenience.

 

[Gadarene]

My hands are tied KC. Remember, I am not allowed to post anything on this forum unless it is my own work. I apologize for this inconvenience.

And you still don't get that either.

Post whatever you like, but if it isn't yours, cite a name and source.

It's a few words to append to whatever it is you're posting.

 

[Elioenai26]

This is a puzzling statement. The only way to not be filled with hate, according to you, is to honor God?

This is correct.

I say it is puzzling because some who claim to honor god often express hatred toward those who honor a different god.

This is also correct. They "claim" to honor God.

This religious hatred is a major source of conflict and yet apparently atheists are the ones filled with hate.

And this is also correct.

I cannot name one atheist I have ever had the privilege of meeting with, or talking to that was not, at bottom, filled with hate. I of course have not met with every atheist, but my experiences seem to be verified by the slander and degrading remarks of atheists on forums like these.