Answers To Atheism

[Dave Ellis]

you misinterpret me Danyc. It is far from self-flagellation. I am not afraid to speak the truth. Compared to God's standards I am worthless. But in the context of a personal relationship with God I am priceless in His eyes and mine. I do not despise myself or any other human. God loves us nd myself, and I also love others and myself.

The fact that I need God doesn't wipe away my dignity, it wipes away my hubris. It gives me true meaning and purpose, something atheism will always lack.

thanks for responding.

How does that work? You consider yourself worthless, yet priceless at the same time?

And yes, shackling yourself to a cosmic slave-master is certainly undignified. The idea that without God, you couldn't have any meaning or purpose is sick.... The meaning and purpose to your life is what you make it to be, which is far more fulfilling than what you speak of.

 

[renewed21]

So you're not perfect, join the club. That doesn't mean you're a bad person, despite what your religion teaches.



This is one of my main issues with Christianity... the fact that it's actually convinced billions of people that they're worthless. It's a disgusting teaching.

But, I do have to give credit where credit is due... it's brilliant marketing. Create a need by convincing people they're worthless and condemned... then provide the cure for the need you created. It's a guaranteed recipe to make a fortune while keeping all the little sheep in line.

This is clear evidence of a complete lack of understanding of my post Dave. What you posted here is complete nonsense. Prejudices do cloud the mind.

 

[renewed21]

How does that work? You consider yourself worthless, yet priceless at the same time?

And yes, shackling yourself to a cosmic slave-master is certainly undignified. The idea that without God, you couldn't have any meaning or purpose is sick.... The meaning and purpose to your life is what you make it to be, which is far more fulfilling than what you speak of.

being blind sucks , I've been there

 

[Dave Ellis]

Dave you saw my user page. It's fairly obvious.

Simply was bringing to light how much people get their panties in a wad. We are all in this together. Why take it so serious?

The obviousness of it must have evaded me. If you meant it jokingly, I apologise, but my original point still stands.

Many times it's difficult to distinguish a real insult from a joke one, especially when we constantly get bombarded by insults from the Christians on here. It might be ideal to just make your point without the go suck an egg stuff, even if you are just joking.

 

[Dave Ellis]

This is clear evidence of a complete lack of understanding of my post Dave. What you posted here is complete nonsense. Prejudices do cloud the mind.

Complete nonsense?

So you are stating that mainstream Christianity does not teach that all mankind isn't worthy in God's eyes, and we're worthless sinners deserving of hell?

 

[renewed21]

Thanks for posting with me Dave. Don't construe my posts as arrogance. You're obviously a smart guy and I would like to have further discussions with you. Be back tommorrow. Take care

 

[Dave Ellis]

being blind sucks , I've been there

Apparently you still are there.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Thanks for posting with me Dave. Don't construe my posts as arrogance. You're obviously a smart guy and I would like to have further discussions with you. Be back tommorrow. Take care

Thanks, you seem quite intelligent yourself.

Basically all I'm getting at is the fact that I find the Christian teaching that man is worthless to be disgusting... that's it.

We can pick this one up tomorrow. Have a good night!

 

[sandwiches]

LOl... I like it. ... But wrong again, simple deduction is all that is needed.

It isn't enough and that's the whole point of Poe's Law. You just can't tell when someone is bat crazy or they are just joking. You wouldn't believe the amount of people (both theists and atheists) who have been fooled by parodies and tongue-in-cheek comments.

 

[someguy14]

It isn't enough and that's the whole point of Poe's Law. You just can't tell when someone is bat crazy or they are just joking. You wouldn't believe the amount of people (both theists and atheists) who have been fooled by parodies and tongue-in-cheek comments.

The good news is, that deceit is only of those serving wickedness.
God is not the author of confusion.

 

[someguy14]

For example, we're immoral reprobates that deserve to burn for all eternity.

Choosing to serve wickedness, is, well, a choice.
Nobody forces another to fight against God, the maker of all. That is a choice. Some may try, but it ultimately comes down to choice.

God is good. Whoever disagrees with that truth, yes I said truth, is in error.

 

[Davian]

Choosing to serve wickedness, is, well, a choice.
Nobody forces another to fight against God, the maker of all. That is a choice. Some may try, but it ultimately comes down to choice.

God is good. Whoever disagrees with that truth, yes I said truth, is in error.

When you say 'truth' it just comes across as 'religion'. Maybe it is in the way you phrase it. You don't sound like you have the 'truth'.

 

[Dave Ellis]

The good news is, that deceit is only of those serving wickedness.
God is not the author of confusion.

Actually, he would be. If God created everything, he created confusion too.

 

[someguy14]

God created all that exists. God is all the truth. If one says they are against God, they inevitably reject the truth.

One professing that they don't believe in God, is that one professing that they don't believe in truth.

Lieing leads to lieing, leads to lieing...

Here is a vers that should help one better understand.

1 Corinthians 13:6
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

That means all problems, great and small are because of iniquity(lies, wickedness, sin, hatefulness, etc...). Without wickedness(lies), problems don't exist. God is all that is good, life itself. Wickedness(lies) are against God. Wickedness ceases to exist. God remains eternal, life, without wickedness. God is eternal. Wickedness(lies), cease from existence(God), for God is all the good. Not believing in God, is equal to not believing in truth. God is truth.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Choosing to serve wickedness, is, well, a choice.
Nobody forces another to fight against God, the maker of all. That is a choice. Some may try, but it ultimately comes down to choice.

God is good. Whoever disagrees with that truth, yes I said truth, is in error.

1. I am not serving wickedness, nor have I any will to serve wickedness.

2. I'm not fighting against God, I don't believe God exists. That's like me claiming that you are fighting against Darth Vader and the Galactic Empire because you preferred the teachings of Yoda in Star Wars.

3. God is non-existent. However, if you're talking about the character of God of the Bible, he's certainly not a pleasant fellow by any stretch of the imagination.

4. Show evidence your God exists, or you have no right to claim that you know "truth" in this matter.

 

[Dave Ellis]

God created all that exists. God is all the truth. If one says they are against God, they inevitably reject the truth.

One professing that they don't believe in God, is that one professing that they don't believe in truth.

You're asserting God is truth without evidence or justification. Please provide some, or stop asserting things out of a position of intellectual dishonesty.

Lieing leads to lieing, leads to lieing...

Um? What?

Here is a vers that should help one better understand.

1 Corinthians 13:6
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

Do I have to start quoting Captain Kirk to you again? Do you not understand that we think the Bible is on par with Greek Mythology? Quoting things out of it, and expecting us to take them seriously is wasting your time. Show the Bible is in any way valid in that regard, then we'll pay attention to it.

 

[someguy14]

Actually, he would be. If God created everything, he created confusion too.

Good news, God is all the good. ​

The ones that rebelled against God chose to serve wickedness instead of God. Attempting to claim power, from the one that already created it. It is the core of ignorance. God already created it(all goodness), who would want to pretend to take credit for that...selfish, hateful, wicked, proud, greedy...etc. Satan wanted credit for that which was already created!​

The devil that rejected God, in turn, was rejected from perfection, cause God is perfection. The devil, a fallen angel, demon, hates God so much that he constantly strives to fight against God, knowing that he has already failed and only has eternal torment to look forward to. The devil, the father(maker) of lies/ignorance, constantly battles against God, the Creator of all goodness, out of spite, hatred.​

God is not the author of confusion, the devil is. Remembering that God is all good, eliminates confusion. (Sounds almost like a comic book if viewed without actually knowing God Himself). Delusions are an attack from the devil, a mere fallen angel, not even worthy to be a human. A human at least has a chance to be with God and rejoice in His perfection. All humans have already conquered demons, fallen angels, to put it clearly, the rebelious against goodness itself. The humans that rebel against God are products of tiny little pathetic worthless demons that are aware that God Himself has already defeated.​

Let us look at a scale of truth.​

God(truth)
Angels(Gods own)
Humans for God
______________________​

Humans against God
demons(enemies of God, followers of the devil, wicked)
the devil(liar)​

 

[someguy14]

If you flip that scale, you'll notice the worldly ways.

 

[someguy14]

You're asserting God is truth without evidence or justification. Please provide some, or stop asserting things out of a position of intellectual dishonesty.

Your a witness of all that literally is day after day. Intelligent design. If one studies anatomy, they no doubt understand, or at the least have witnessed intelligent design. Mankind(male/female) is without excuse.

 

[someguy14]

Um? What?

A lie promotes another lie. It isn't difficult to understand.