Answers To Atheism

[Dave Ellis]

The fact that you guys are talking about the military in the manner that you are, shows that you are completely missing the broader meaning of the usage of the word "foxhole" in the provided quote.

His point is not that there are no atheists in the military guys! The point is that when one is confronted with the awareness of the immanence of death, they definently are not going to be concerned about remaining true to their atheistic philosophy! They are no doubt going to be concerned about whether or not they are ready for that final, unavoidable, moment in which they are going to cease to live in this world as well as the possible ramifications that may come as a result of living according to their most valued views.

So why would the real possibility of impending death cause someone to start believing in fairy tales?

Honestly, if I was in that situation, the thought of God probably wouldn't even enter into my head. I'd be too busy trying to figure out how to not get killed.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I find it quite ironic how offensive and indignant atheists get when their unsubstantiated views are challenged and yet, when they challenge a Christian's views, which are the only one's that have a basis in rational, logical, reality, they seem confused as to how they could be offended?

This advocation of a hypocritical double-standard is not becoming of men and women who pride themselves on being objective.

Offensive and indignant? Perhaps he was offended at the accusation you made towards him that all non-believers are essentially full of it and actually believe what you believe.

To be blunt, when you go out of your way to say something blatantly offensive and wilfully ignorant toward someone elses views, don't be surprised if Variant labels you as a bigot.

If you don't want to be labelled as such, then actually try showing respect for other people's views. Believe it or not, we actually truly believe that your religion is false, and God would be the last thing on our minds in an emergency situation.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

[KCfromNC]

I find it quite ironic how offensive and indignant atheists get when their unsubstantiated views are challenged

You mean you find it ironic that atheists correct misconceptions about themselves, because that's all that's happened in this thread.

 

[Genersis]

You mean you find it ironic that atheists correct misconceptions about themselves, because that's all that's happened in this thread.

Don't be silly.
Christians know every demographic on the planet better than those demographics know themselves; because Christians have the word of God!
The bible TELLS us all atheists secretly believe in their god, but just want an excuse to sin. Obviously, as it was written by Christians under God's influence, it must be true.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Honestly, if I was in that situation, the thought of God probably wouldn't even enter into my head. I'd be too busy trying to figure out how to not get killed.

Likewise for me too.

There have been times in my life when I've been worried that I had some serious medical condition, and not once did I think of God. Even when my parents, who I loved very much, had died, I did not hope that God might save them and secure them some sort of afterlife.

I accept reality for what it is, and there is something clean and honest about that.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Elioenai26]

If you were so concerned about how you are perceived and that there are numerous misconceptions about you in these threads, it seems to me that you would endeavor to correct these supposed "misconceptions". As it stands, all I can detect thus far is a lot of uncertainty as to actually what atheism is among atheists themselves!

The ofttimes quoted statement that atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods or God has even be said to be inaccurate by one of your own!

So, who knows? Maybe atheists don't really have a consensus on what atheism is! I shall therefore categorize all of you as non-theists from now on. Do any of you gentlemen object to this?

 

[Gadarene]

If you were so concerned about how you are perceived and that there are numerous misconceptions about you in these threads, it seems to me that you would endeavor to correct these supposed "misconceptions".

We did, and then you accused us falsely of holding a double standard. We can't win either way with dishonesty.

As it stands, all I can detect thus far is a lot of uncertainty as to actually what atheism is among atheists themselves. The ofttimes quoted statement that atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods or God has even be said to be inaccurate by one of your own!

Source, please.

Oh, and one dissenting voice - assuming you've represented him accurately - is hardly a "lot" of uncertainty.

So, who knows? Maybe atheists don't really have a consensus on what atheism is! I shall therefore categorize all of you as non-theists from now on. Do any of you gentlemen object to this?

No, call us what we call ourselves.

 

[Dave Ellis]

If you were so concerned about how you are perceived and that there are numerous misconceptions about you in these threads, it seems to me that you would endeavor to correct these supposed "misconceptions". As it stands, all I can detect thus far is a lot of uncertainty as to actually what atheism is among atheists themselves!

The ofttimes quoted statement that atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods or God has even be said to be inaccurate by one of your own!

So, who knows? Maybe atheists don't really have a consensus on what atheism is! I shall therefore categorize all of you as non-theists from now on. Do any of you gentlemen object to this?

Who said Atheism is not the lack of a belief in Gods? That's pretty well universally how it's defined among Atheists.

Otherwise, you hit the nail on the head.... Atheism is the lack of belief in Gods. That's it, nothing more.

 

[Davian]

If you were so concerned about how you are perceived and that there are numerous misconceptions about you in these threads, it seems to me that you would endeavor to correct these supposed "misconceptions". As it stands, all I can detect thus far is a lot of uncertainty as to actually what atheism is among atheists themselves!

The ofttimes quoted statement that atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods or God has even be said to be inaccurate by one of your own!

So, who knows? Maybe atheists don't really have a consensus on what atheism is! I shall therefore categorize all of you as non-theists from now on. Do any of you gentlemen object to this?

Do you collect stamps? If not, may we categorize you as a non-stamp collector?

 

[Elioenai26]

Do you collect stamps? If not, may we categorize you as a non-stamp collector?

No I do not collect stamps, and you would be absolutely correct in calling me a non-stamp collector. Why? Because I don't collect stamps!

 

[Elioenai26]

We did, and then you accused us falsely of holding a double standard. We can't win either way with dishonesty.



Source, please.

Oh, and one dissenting voice - assuming you've represented him accurately - is hardly a "lot" of uncertainty.



No, call us what we call ourselves.

Well for one, ask Davian what atheism is. See what he tells you.

 

[Davian]

No I do not collect stamps, and you would be absolutely correct in calling me a non-stamp collector. Why? Because I don't collect stamps!

Would you say that this accurately describes your worldview?

 

[Elioenai26]

Would you say that this accurately describes your worldview?

Stamp collecting has nothing to do with one's worldview. So no, it is not an accurate description of my worldview.

Stamp collecting would primarily be considered a hobby or a profession.

 

[Davian]

Stamp collecting has nothing to do with one's worldview.

With rare stamps being bought and sold for amounts in excess of US$1M, that point may be debatable.

So no, it is not an accurate description of my worldview.

Then while correct, it is not accurate, or more to the point, helpful. So then, I do not see "non-theist" as an accurate label for myself.

Stamp collecting would primarily be considered a hobby or a profession.

Until recently, that is pretty much how I viewed theism.

 

[Elioenai26]

With rare stamps being bought and sold for amounts in excess of US$1M, that point may be debatable.

Then while correct, it is not accurate, or more to the point, helpful. So then, I do not see "non-theist" as an accurate label for myself.

Until recently, that is pretty much how I viewed theism.

You are not a theist are you?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Stamp collecting has nothing to do with one's worldview. So no, it is not an accurate description of my worldview.

Exactly, likewise, Atheism is not a worldview either.

 

[Elioenai26]

Exactly, likewise, Atheism is not a worldview either.

What is it then?

 

[Genersis]

What is it then?

A way of saying you don't believe in any gods.
That's it.
It has no intrinsic implications to ones world view beyond that.

 

[Elioenai26]

A way of saying you don't believe in any gods.
That's it.
It has no intrinsic implications to ones world view beyond that.

So you are non-theistic. Right, or wrong?

 

[Genersis]

So you are non-theistic. Right, or wrong?

I'm a non-theist/atheist.
Which means i don't believe in any gods.

You shouldn't assume anything beyond that when people refer to themselves as such.