Baptist President of Chick-fil-A vs. Gay Marriage

[dies-l]

Would persecution include government officials threatening to close their stores or prevent them from opening new ones or extortionists trying to interrupt their business and scare away or inconvenience their customers?

Normally, I would be with cow; some Christians claim persecution way too much. But, the response from Boston and Chicago has been a pretty radical attempt to undermine free speech.

 

[MrJim]

 

[NadineWoods]

I live in an *extremely* liberal area, and I can assure you that the Chick-fil-A’s where I live will be hurt by the backlash. Even if they just lose a portion of their business, what will that mean to the college student or the working mother they have to lay off because of the slower business? That is a level of hurt I would call persecution, but then again I guess that’s just my definition of persecution.

Also, at our local Chick-fil-A we were informed last Monday evening that they would no longer be offering church bulletin night. We used to be able to bring in our church bulletins on Monday evenings and get a free sandwich with the purchase of a side and a drink. We were told something along the lines that it wasn’t fair to everyone for them to continue to offer this promotion. While financially it isn’t a big deal for us to pay for our sandwiches on Monday evenings, it does frustrate me that concessions to their business practices are now being made in reaction to Mr. Cathy’s statement. I do understand their decision to discontinue this practice at our local Chick-fil-A because in the area where we live someone would sue them even if they never had any hope of winning just so they could create negative publicity for the Chick-fil-A name. Needless to say, we will continue to “eat mor chikin” since they will undoubtedly need our business to continue to maintain their present level of staff.

 

[cow451]

I live in an *extremely* liberal area, and I can assure you that the Chick-fil-A’s where I live will be hurt by the backlash. Even if they just lose a portion of their business, what will that mean to the college student or the working mother they have to lay off because of the slower business? That is a level of hurt I would call persecution, but then again I guess that’s just my definition of persecution.

Also, at our local Chick-fil-A we were informed last Monday evening that they would no longer be offering church bulletin night. We used to be able to bring in our church bulletins on Monday evenings and get a free sandwich with the purchase of a side and a drink. We were told something along the lines that it wasn’t fair to everyone for them to continue to offer this promotion. While financially it isn’t a big deal for us to pay for our sandwiches on Monday evenings, it does frustrate me that concessions to their business practices are now being made in reaction to Mr. Cathy’s statement. I do understand their decision to discontinue this practice at our local Chick-fil-A because in the area where we live someone would sue them even if they never had any hope of winning just so they could create negative publicity for the Chick-fil-A name. Needless to say, we will continue to “eat mor chikin” since they will undoubtedly need our business to continue to maintain their present level of staff.

The Church bulletin night is discriminatory, although I never heard a complaint. I never took advantage of it personally.

 

[dies-l]

The Church bulletin night is discriminatory, although I never heard a complaint. I never took advantage of it personally.

Just out of curiosity, would they honor the discount if you brought something equivalent from your local mosque, temple, synagogue, or UU church?

 

[98cwitr]

I live in an *extremely* liberal area, and I can assure you that the Chick-fil-A’s where I live will be hurt by the backlash. Even if they just lose a portion of their business, what will that mean to the college student or the working mother they have to lay off because of the slower business? That is a level of hurt I would call persecution, but then again I guess that’s just my definition of persecution.

Also, at our local Chick-fil-A we were informed last Monday evening that they would no longer be offering church bulletin night. We used to be able to bring in our church bulletins on Monday evenings and get a free sandwich with the purchase of a side and a drink. We were told something along the lines that it wasn’t fair to everyone for them to continue to offer this promotion. While financially it isn’t a big deal for us to pay for our sandwiches on Monday evenings, it does frustrate me that concessions to their business practices are now being made in reaction to Mr. Cathy’s statement. I do understand their decision to discontinue this practice at our local Chick-fil-A because in the area where we live someone would sue them even if they never had any hope of winning just so they could create negative publicity for the Chick-fil-A name. Needless to say, we will continue to “eat mor chikin” since they will undoubtedly need our business to continue to maintain their present level of staff.

You must be from Asheville

 

[cow451]

Just out of curiosity, would they honor the discount if you brought something equivalent from your local mosque, temple, synagogue, or UU church?

Unitarians would pass muster, as would Jews, assuming either of these have the equivalency of a "bulletin. I thought about making a "Mosque Bulletin", and trying it. But there are enough nutcases where safety might be an issue.

In reality, the people working at Chick-fil-up probably don't even look at the bulletins because they are just trying to get the orders out.

 

[dies-l]

Unitarians would pass muster, as would Jews, assuming either of these have the equivalency of a "bulletin. I thought about making a "Mosque Bulletin", and trying it. But there are enough nutcases where safety might be an issue.

In reality, the people working at Chick-fil-up probably don't even look at the bulletins because they are just trying to get the orders out.

I wonder if a note from your pastor, rabbi, imam, etc. would pass muster.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't call it discrimination unless it was clear that said bulletin had to be from a particular religious group. If people of all faiths can take part, then it really isn't all that different from offering a discount for going to a movie or a baseball game (which happens all the time). Apparently, CFA thinks that church is a better pursuit of one's time than these things are; the fact that they also think that one's "church" should be Christian is only relevant if they enforce that kind of policy.

 

[cow451]

I wonder if a note from your pastor, rabbi, imam, etc. would pass muster.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't call it discrimination unless it was clear that said bulletin had to be from a particular religious group. If people of all faiths can take part, then it really isn't all that different from offering a discount for going to a movie or a baseball game (which happens all the time). Apparently, CFA thinks that church is a better pursuit of one's time than these things are; the fact that they also think that one's "church" should be Christian is only relevant if they enforce that kind of policy.

If it was "House of Worship Night", that argument might carry some H2O.

 

[jpcedotal]

Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Choose where to eat.

Why are gays in such an uproar? If what Chick-Fil-A said is so wrong, then the free market will ruin them...if not, then maybe there are more folks who think this gay marriage thing is junk...either way, it is call freedom and it works both ways.

I think the gay community needs to be a little more open minded...they are starting to sound alot like the ultra conservatives with all this banning talk...ha

I guess you can think however you want as long as you see through homosexual glasses.

 

[jpcedotal]

Being a homosexual is a choice and should be treated as such both in the church and within the law.

 

[dies-l]

Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Choose where to eat.

Why are gays in such an uproar? If what Chick-Fil-A said is so wrong, then the free market will ruin them...if not, then maybe there are more folks who think this gay marriage thing is junk...either way, it is call freedom and it works both ways.

I think the gay community needs to be a little more open minded...they are starting to sound alot like the ultra conservatives with all this banning talk...ha

I guess you can think however you want as long as you see through homosexual glasses.

The CEO of CFA can express whatever opinion he likes about whatever he wants to express an opinion about. Those who disagree with him are free to express whatever opinion they like about him, as they are free to avoid spending their money at CFA. The problem comes in when government office holders threaten to refuse proper licensing to CFA solely on account of said controversial opinion. Liberal or conservative, if you are in favor of free speech, you should be objecting to that.

 

[jpcedotal]

The CEO of CFA can express whatever opinion he likes about whatever he wants to express an opinion about. Those who disagree with him are free to express whatever opinion they like about him, as they are free to avoid spending their money at CFA. The problem comes in when government office holders threaten to refuse proper licensing to CFA solely on account of said controversial opinion. Liberal or conservative, if you are in favor of free speech, you should be objecting to that.

I agree totally with this.

 

[dies-l]

I agree totally with this.

And, for the record, I am one who disagrees with the CEO's stated opinion, but not so strongly that I would officially boycot CFA even if I lived in an area where eating there was a real possibility.

 

[IisJustMe]

And, for the record, I am one who disagrees with the CEO's stated opinion, but not so strongly that I would officially boycot CFA even if I lived in an area where eating there was a real possibility.

Can you state briefly what you believe his statement was?

 

[David Pratt]

I have read the posts on the practical, legal, & moral debate on C.F.A.'s response to gay-marriage...

but what does that have to do with our Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father by Him?


Based on the holy bible, Do They view Dan Cathy's peaceful opposition on gay-marriage good or evil?


Do They consider gay-activists’ vengeance on C.F.A. good or evil?

 

[98cwitr]

Wow...never thought I'd say this but I agree both with what dies-l and David have said

 

[dies-l]

Can you state briefly what you believe his statement was?

I believe that he stated that he supports "traditional marriage" within a context that makes clear that he opposes same sex civil marriage. My own view is that civil marriage is an entirely different issue from biblical marriage and should be treated as such. But, I am not interested in debating this point, so that is all I will say about it.

 

[IisJustMe]

I believe that he stated that he supports "traditional marriage" within a context that makes clear that he opposes same sex civil marriage.

He didn't mention anything about civil marriage or anything beyond simply endorsing the biblical view of marriage. He didn't say one single word about same-sex civil unions or gay marriage. From The Baptist Press: Baptist Press - 'Guilty as charged,' Cathy says of Chick-fil-A's stand on biblical & family values - News with a Christian Perspective

Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position.

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.

"We operate as a family business ... our restaurants are typically led by families; some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized.

"We intend to stay the course," he said. "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."
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If, that is, the liberal/socialist media will allow him to do so. They have read into that statement -- and that's the entire statement, all of it regarding marriage -- something that wasn't there. And now the LGBT movement has wrongfully demonized this Christian man who runs his business as he feels led by Christ to run, without prejudice and without discrimination of any kind but particularly of the kind others have lied to allege he practices. Now even Christians are helping them misrepresent what Cathy actually said.

 

[dies-l]

He didn't mention anything about civil marriage or anything beyond simply endorsing the biblical view of marriage. He didn't say one single word about same-sex civil unions or gay marriage. From The Baptist Press: Baptist Press - 'Guilty as charged,' Cathy says of Chick-fil-A's stand on biblical & family values - News with a Christian Perspective

Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position.

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.

"We operate as a family business ... our restaurants are typically led by families; some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized.

"We intend to stay the course," he said. "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."
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The liberal/socialist media read into that statement -- and that's the entire statement, all of it regarding marriage -- something that wasn't there. And now the LGBT movement has wrongfully demonized this Christian man who runs his business as he feels led by Christ to run, without prejudice and without discrimination of any kind but particularly of the kind others have lied to allege he practices. Now even Christians are helping them misrepresent what Cathy actually said.

Anyone with half a brain read into his statement what was clearly intended by it. I agree that the LGBT community and many of their supporters has mishandled this situation, but please don't be so disingenuous as to claim that his statement was not clearly about same-sex marriage. I know you are smarter than that.