The best evidence for Creationism

[Guy1]

1, You basically admitted God exist by admitting there is a first uncaused cause, and that first uncaused cause is a mind, thus the first uncause cause is God. now you want to know who the True God is.

I propose to you that the first uncaused cause is spiral power. This spiral power created your god, and your god went on to harness this energy to create the universe. This is why spiral galaxies are so common, and the reason our DNA forms a double helix. The spiral is the ultimate form of energy that allows us to materialize our dreams. To harness it yourself, you must first attune yourself to it and feel it instinctively. Once you do that, you can grab a drill and pierce the heavens.

2, Jesus Christ Death and Resurrection, Approximately 40 different witnesses of God who wrote down their accounts with no contradiction or error(The Bible), The Early Christian Martyrs, extra Biblical sources, proves that the True God is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Christianity is the truth.

Since I got no denomination out of you, then I'll go with the KJV: Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon

 

[Non sequitur]

1, Yes I have proven that God exist with the evidence. The first uncaused cause is evidence enough that God exist, add it up with the other evidence.

The first uncaused cause is eternal, immaterial, timeless,

now that can either be 1 of 2 things, a mind or an abstract object.

abstract objects do not cause anything, thus the first uncaused cause is a mind.

since the first uncaused cause is a mind, the first uncaused cause is a being, thus God is the first uncaused cause. God exist.

if you object provide evidence.

2. As proven with the evidence, A.L.I.V.E., the video below, Jesus Christ Resurrected from the dead.

â€[bless and do not curse] Proof Jesus Christ is A.L.I.V.E. (Free gift included) â€[bless and do not curse] - YouTube

if you object, provide evidence.

it doesn't matter who your sources are, where is your proof of this claim?

Your proof was this: "Yes I have proven that God exist with the evidence. The first uncaused cause is evidence enough that God exist, add it up with the other evidence."

The first uncaused cause is evidence enough that it created your God. My evidence is the same as yours.

The other evidence is all around you, you just have to look. If you do not open your eyes, and except this, how do you expect to see?

It's like standing a few millimeters away from a gigantic piece of art. Sure you see something, but you do not see the total picture.

 

[Inan3]

Evolution does not go anywhere near predicting that all species are the same or that every species should be intelligent, regardless of who their ancestor is.

I realize that but to say that apes and humans have the same ancestor because of a few likenesses and then to ignore and neglect how VAST the differences are is naive to say the least and deceptive at most. More important to the case of evolution being untrue is all the data and information that is excluded rather than that that is included.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I realize that but to say that apes and humans have the same ancestor because of a few likenesses and then to ignore and neglect how VAST the differences are is naive to say the least and deceptive at most.

The point is the similarities outweigh the differences.

 

[Inan3]

The first book of surgery comes out of Egypt around 5,000 years ago. Rather simple by todays standards but this was a beginning. This was written before Moses gave us the Bible around 3500 years ago.

Perhaps you missed my point. I was saying that the apes do not do surgery in the jungle or any other things that man can do because I believe they are so FAR away from humans in DNA, purpose, etc. that this is evidence that they do NOT have a common ancestor in the manner in which evolution declares. Humans are so vastly different from other animals that the little bit of data that evolution holds on to for evidence is so minute that it really says nothing, (unless one WANTS it so bad so they can say God and the Bible are not valid and "therefore, I will not believe!")

 

[Loudmouth]

Perhaps you missed my point. I was saying that the apes do not do surgery in the jungle or any other things that man can do because I believe they are so FAR away from humans in DNA, purpose, etc. that this is evidence that they do NOT have a common ancestor in the manner in which evolution declares.

Chimps and humans are closer genetically than chimps and orangutans. Also, I really don't see how surgery has anything to do with humans and other apes sharing a common ancestor. The whole point is that humans developed intelligence in our own lineage, not as a trait passed down from our common ancestor with other apes.

 

[Inan3]

The point is the similarities outweigh the differences.

But the truth is that they don't!

 

[Loudmouth]

I realize that but to say that apes and humans have the same ancestor because of a few likenesses and then to ignore and neglect how VAST the differences are is naive to say the least and deceptive at most. More important to the case of evolution being untrue is all the data and information that is excluded rather than that that is included.

So evolution is falsified by species being different from one another? Really? Isn't that the whole point of evolution, that it changes species over time?

Also, the difference between our DNA and that of chimps is only 2% with respect to base substitions, or 5% if you include insertions and deletions. Chimps and orangutans differ by more than this, and you would still consider chimps and orangutans as apes.

 

[Loudmouth]

But the truth is that they don't!

So all I need to do is find differences between you and your siblings in order to prove that you do not share a common ancestor?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

But the truth is that they don't!

In your opinion. What, to you, is the biggest difference?

 

[CabVet]

But the truth is that they don't!

Here comes the "truth" again. If only I had a penny for every "truth" out there, I would be a billionaire!

 

[someguy14]

Here comes the "truth" again. If only I had a penny for every "truth" out there, I would be a billionaire!

"I don't get why ya gotta be mean".

 

[CabVet]

"I don't get why ya gotta be mean".

Oh, so someone says that my statements are wrong simply because they are not their "truth" and I am the one being mean?

 

[someguy14]

Oh, so someone says that my statements are wrong simply because they are not their "truth" and I am the one being mean?

Who doesnt trust their "statements" enough to be slaughtered as a lamb with the promise that truth will prevail?

The truth always prevails.

 

[CabVet]

Who doesnt trust their "statements" enough to be slaughtered as a lamb with the promise that truth will prevail?

One more penny to the bank

 

[someguy14]

One more penny to the bank

1 Penny is worth far beyond a rich man's quadrillions offered.

 

[Inan3]

So all I need to do is find differences between you and your siblings in order to prove that you do not share a common ancestor?

Not even close, LM!!

 

[Inan3]

In your opinion. What, to you, is the biggest difference?

My answer to that is most definitely, the ability for humans to speak and "our mental ability to create new ideas and complex technologies."

The Primates: Humans
The comparatively minor anatomical differences between humans and apes are largely a result of our habitual bipedalism. A number of changes in our bodies were related to the evolution of this form of locomotion. Unlike apes, our arms are relatively short and weak compared to our legs. Our feet NO LONGER HAVE the ability to effectively grasp and manipulate objects because the toes BECAME shorter and the big toe MOVED UP into line with the others. Human feet also have lengthened and ACQUIRED an arch, making them better body supports. The human pelvis and spinal column also have been modified for an erect posture and efficient bipedal locomotion. The pelvis BECAME shorter, broader, and more bowl shaped. This provided greater stability for walking and running. We are now essentially fully terrestrial animals. Nature (CORRECTION .. GOD) VERY LIKELY selected for longer legs with powerful muscles and spring-like tendons in humans because it is more efficient for walking and especially running bipedally. Research done by Herman Pontzer of Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri indicates that longer legs require less up-and-down movement while running and, therefore, reduce the amount of energy needed to move rapidly. This relatively lower rate of energy consumption would also allow humans to travel farther with the same calorie expenditure. In addition, the largely hairless human body with its abundance of sweat glands allows us to remain cooler while running than if we only relied on panting like most other mammals. This no doubt was a major advantage for our early human ancestors in the competition with other hunters and scavengers for meat in warm climates. Humans can easily be outrun by many other animals over short distances. However, we are endurance runners and can ultimately run down virtually all other land animals.

A downside of the evolution of efficient bipedalism in humans is that it resulted in changes in the pelvis which unfortunately included a narrower birth canal in females. As a consequence, giving birth is a more difficult and riskier process for us than for most other mammal species. During delivery, human babies must partially rotate laterally twice during their passage through the oval birth canal in order for their comparatively large heads and then their broad shoulders to make it through. This is usually a long, tiring, and painful process for the mother as well as a risky one for her baby. Because of this, human mothers generally seek help from a "midwife" for the delivery. Other primates give birth without assistance. A partial evolutionary solution to this birth difficulty for humans was fetuses being born at a less mature stage, when their bodies are smaller. The trade off is that human newborn babies are more vulnerable.

With the exception of these differences, we are quite similar to the African apes anatomically and genetically, especially to the chimpanzees and bonobos. Humans have 46 chromosomes in their cells while all of the great apes have 48. In reality, this difference is not as great as it would initially seem because the human chromosome 2 is a fusion of ape chromosomes 12 and 13 with most of the same genes.

Research on learning the entire genome of common chimpanzees was completed in 2005. A comparison between this and the human genome (completed in 2001) shows that 96% of DNA base pair sequences of humans and chimpanzees are the same. Most of the 4% difference is in duplicated non-gene segments. However, the genes that differ mostly control speech, smelling, hearing, digesting proteins, and susceptibility to certain diseases. These dissimilarities are to be expected given that we have been on essentially separate evolutionary tracks for 6-7 million years. During that time, we have been subject to somewhat different natural selection pressures. These differences led to bipedalism for our ancestors along with a much larger brain and, ultimately, speech.

The modern human brain is 3 times larger in volume than those of the great apes. More importantly, the human brain to body size ratio is significantly larger, and it has a much bigger cerebral cortex with a higher concentration of neurons. Evolving a larger brain comes at a steep energy cost. The human brain uses about 25% of the energy derived from the nutrients that we consume and 20% of the oxygen. Recent research has suggested that our intelligence advantage MAY be due to evolutionary changes in the HAR1F regulator gene beginning about 6 million years ago in our pre-human ancestors but not in those of chimpanzees or other apes. This gene is involved in the production of brain tissue between the 7th and 19th week after conception. It is not surprising that there are some striking differences between the great apes and humans in mental abilities. People have much more complex forms of verbal communication than any other primate species. We are the only animal to create and use symbols as a means of communication. We also have more varied and complex social organizations. The most distinctive feature of humans is our mental ability to create new ideas and complex technologies. This has proven invaluable in the competition for survival. However, the great apes are also surprisingly intelligent, having mental levels equivalent to a 3-4 year old human child. This is sufficient to allow them to learn and use the sign language of deaf humans in at least a rudimentary way, but they do not have the capability of producing human speech and language. This is LIKELY due to the fact that they have a different form of another key regulator gene known as FOXP2.

There is one additional curious difference between humans and all other primates that is worth noting. Older human females go through menopause and become sterile, often decades before dying of old age. Female chimpanzees, gorillas, and other non-human primates usually remain capable of conception and giving birth even when they are very old. In the wild, they live only a relatively short amount of time following menopause, if they go through it at all. One explanation for this difference in humans is that years of life following menopause has proven to have natural selection value for our species. Having raised their own children, post-menopausal women around the world often take care of their grandchildren while their daughters are working. It is argued that this increases the chances that the grandchildren will survive to adulthood because they receive this additional experienced and caring attention. (TOO BAD FOR ALL THOSE GRANDCHILDREN WHO LIVE FAR AWAY FROM THEIR GRANDMOTHERS)

Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
Despite the similarities in human and chimp genomes, the scientists identified some 40 million differences among the three billion DNA molecules, or nucleotides, in each genome.

The vast majority of those differences are not biologically significant, but researchers were able to identify a couple thousand differences that are potentially important to the evolution of the human lineage.

Scientists agree that many questions remain unanswered but the chimp genome provides important clues to understanding what makes us human.

Another interesting difference:
The BBC reports only 350,000 apes from six species are left in the world.World ape population dwindles at fast rate

Human population = World 7,024,162,146
U.S. & World Population Clocks

 

[Mother Natures Son]

The best evidence I think I ever heard for creationism came from a guy I saw on TV, I cant recall what he said exactly,
but if I remember right he made a pretty good case, it'll come to me and when it does I'll get back to you.
He said that he had dozens of followers so he must have known what he was talking about, a nice guy with fair hair.
His first name was Bent or Dent or something, I remember when he said he was a Doctor everyone laughed,
don't know why they laughed? it's not as if just anyone can go out and get a certificate saying they're a doctor can they.

Kent Hovind. He disguises his hollow teachings with egoistic words.

 

[Keachian]

Another interesting difference:
The BBC reports only 350,000 apes from six species are left in the world.World ape population dwindles at fast rate

Human population = World 7,024,162,146
U.S. & World Population Clocks

Well I'd consider that more saddening than interesting. As humans we have evolved to the point where we manipulate our environment to survive rather than adapting to the environment, so it only makes sense that the human population is huge.