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How glorious it is to understand where it came from.
Where what came from?
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Apparent to us in everyday life.
However, modern physics speculates that space has more dimensions than these.
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We already discussed that part. This is where I believe information travels in the higher dimensions. But it can't be proven either way, all we know is software(information) is massless and therefore eternal.
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God is eternal and has already created all.
I realize that you believe that. I conclude differently.
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Why would something massless have to be eternal? After all, I can delete a software file, and information can be lost. Are you attempting some sort of Platonic argument?
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God is perfect. Believing that God is perfect, is wise. God is all wisdom. God is truth, in all it's forms, seen and unseen.
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God is perfect. Believing that God is perfect, is wise. God is all wisdom. God is truth, in all it's forms, seen and unseen.
I realize that you believe that. I'm an atheist, so clearly I don't believe in the existence of your God.
What is with the "fortune cookie" posts? What do you hope to accomplish with those posts?
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Love is eternal. From the beginning of time, love is. Love has always been and will always remain truth.
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I'm posting on a Christian forum, my posts in praising God exalt God(God willing, only. By His mercy only.). God is good and worthy to be praised!
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I'm going to ignore all off-topic posts of yours from here on. If I want a fortune cookie, I'll go to a Chinese restaurant.
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If that is your choice, I stand not in your way. Since we are on a "Christian forum", my post's that are directed toward God, have place. May God be praised throughout all of His proclaimed areas of glorification. Regardless of consequence.
Psalm 68:26
Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel.
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time is a physical property, in needs acceleration, gravity, mass etc.
but if there is nothing to accelerate, no mass to accelerate, then you are outside of the time dimension. or more accurately you have zero time.
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That's not a very convincing argument (I'll explain why later), but let's start with something simple:
Information has a physical medium. Software, for instance, isn't non-physical. It exists in some form, whether it is electronically, or on a magnetized surface, or in the brain structure of the computer programmer.
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A computer is physical.
Whether you type or view it at it's beginning, is physical.
God is eternal, regardless of physical. Only with God, is one able to understand God. All good intent is of God. All wicked intent is of those that destroy themselves.
One will disagree, only if they are against God. The summary: The ones against God(existence itself), destroy themselves. God is blameless.
Man is without excuse. Welcome to choice.
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you are confusing information with information mediums. secondly,
just because you can delete software doesn't mean that it's physical. Information is massless, you can add 500 dollars in software to a cd and it will weigh just 5 tenths of an ounce, a blank one weighs the same. See information is massless. And if it's massless then once it's written it is eternal in heavens data base.
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Not at all. I'm well aware of the distinction. However, all information exists because of an information medium. That means that there is no sharp dichotomy between those two concepts, even though one can make that abstract distinction.
Are computers non-physical? Are hard drives non-physical? They seem to be needed for software to exist.
You are saying that information in this case is organizational. It doesn't "add mass" to the informational medium. Let's just say that is true.
First, I'll just note that it looks like you are appealing to Plato, whether you realize it or not.
There is a problem with your argument, and this is what I said I would get back to. You are presenting a false alternative. It may be that information (in the sense of a consistent abstraction, recognized by the mind) is neither temporal nor eternal. What you have here is a category error. Information is not something that belongs to either category. It isn't some eternal "something" that happens to be out of time or inside of in time.
Consider something. Information is only information to someone for some purpose. Without someone for whom the informational medium actually means something, all you have is some arrangement of atoms or electrons. That's it. Information is really just a cognitive process. It just so happens that because we have senses, we can extend this process to informational mediums.
So, there is no "heaven's database", i.e., Plato's Realm of Ideals, where ideal triangles dance and play. Rather, there are persons to whom information means something.
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Hmmm information is massless...
I saw that and I was thinking how computers cope with that idea.
they just change there 0's to 1's, so its not like the the mass isnt there, it just changes. much how you didnt notice the second 'the' i put in, but now your 0 turned to a 1
I saw that and I was thinking how computers cope with that idea.
they just change there 0's to 1's, so its not like the the mass isnt there, it just changes. much how you didnt notice the second 'the' i put in, but now your 0 turned to a 1
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Yes, exactly. Even if the medium is the human brain, matter is still involved. The reason it seems otherwise is because human beings have the power of abstract thought. We can abstract between the information on a hard drive and the "same" information in the computer's RAM. Because this information seems the "same" to us (because it means the same thing to us), it is easy to think that one's abstraction is non-physical and therefore "eternal". But it really isn't. It's an illusion caused by our power of abstract thought.
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