Atheism (2)

[Going Merry]

To other Christians in this thread: I have held a view for awhile now to just walk away from people who disbelieve, like atheists and what not. I usually find it more worthwhile to speak to people who believe in God already to convert them. I can't really find scriptural support to really bother with trying to convince someone who doesn't even believe in God to believe in Him. It seems like a fools errand imho

 

[Zack454]

thanks, repetition is the father of learning

Repetition is a tool used by those with nothing meaniful to say. You are a ridiculously close minded individual, good sir.

 

[createdtoworship]

Repetition is a tool used by those with nothing meaniful to say. You are a ridiculously close minded individual, good sir.

wow I am honored to be your third post, you must really have wanted to say that.

 

[createdtoworship]

However, a lack of evidence suggests that (the) thing does not exist.

That's what a "lack of" is, by its very nature.

not when there is a lack of evidence for the non existence of God.

 

[Zack454]

You are incredibly stupid for wanting evidence that "God" doesn't exist. The simple fact is there is no evidence that "God" doesn't exist. You know why? 'Cause "God" is not a thing. "God" is an idea, a concept. Something for people to believe in. "God" impacts the physical world in no way, shape, or form. Therefore there is no proof as to whether or not it exists. No proof that it doesn't exist is not all proof that it does. In fact it's to the contrary. The fact that science has yet to discover anything about "God" is proof that such a thing doesn't exist.

 

[Zack454]

wow I am honored to be your third post, you must really have wanted to say that.

The fact that only now I have taken time to combat stupidity somehow effects the validity of my point?

 

[Going Merry]

The endless repetition of the same experiments, in the hope of obtaining a different result. - theory of insanity

Hehe that came to mind

 

[createdtoworship]

The fact that only now I have taken time to combat stupidity somehow effects the validity of my point?

wow an early bird, with such a nasty little bite. How cute!

 

[Going Merry]

wow an early bird, with such a nasty little bite. How cute!

I like your signature, I have strong beliefs in the next verse too, his (not ours) baptism being just as important as his blood

 

[Zack454]

wow an early bird, with such a nasty little bite. How cute!

Apparently experience does not at all translate into intellegence and wisdom. Just close minded stupidity. Sigh.

 

[createdtoworship]

I like your signature, I have strong beliefs in the next verse too, his (not ours) baptism being just as important as his blood

thanks, it's one of the many trinity verses in the Bible, thats why I like it.

 

[Zack454]

The endless repetition of the same experiments, in the hope of obtaining a different result. - theory of insanity

Hehe that came to mind

I wonder why. Heh.

 

[createdtoworship]

You are incredibly stupid .... The fact that science has yet to discover anything about "God" is proof that such a thing doesn't exist.

so science knows if God is on the far side of the universe?

 

[Going Merry]

Apparently experience does not at all translate into intellegence and wisdom. Just close minded stupidity. Sigh.

If you believed the bible to be the word of God, how would you go about to prove it? It has: accounts of the past, accounts of things that have yet to happen, and it claims to be without error. If this is the case then this is how you prove it.

If it is of accounts of the past, then you must look to the past. Archaeology has proven time and time again these things have happened.

If it is of accounts of the future, then you must look at what it has fulfilled that we can view. Example is the 1947 of Israel coming back together, a modern miracle for all eyes I must say!

If it claims to be without error, then why not look at the law it gives within the bible? You must admit for a people coming from such a land like Egypt, the people there using feces to treat wounds?! to having such cleansing laws that rival todays time. We didn't even know germs existed till the 1800s, and is why we had many babies die because of them washing their hands not under running water.

I want to say there is evidence if you so choose to accept it. But it is up to the individual to look. As a believer I can only guide, I can't convince your own heart unless you yourself allow such a thing to happen.

 

[Zack454]

If you believed the bible to be the word of God, how would you go about to prove it? It has: accounts of the past, accounts of things that have yet to happen, and it claims to be without error. If this is the case then this is how you prove it.

If it is of accounts of the past, then you must look to the past. Archaeology has proven time and time again these things have happened.

If it is of accounts of the future, then you must look at what it has fulfilled that we can view. Example is the 1947 of Israel coming back together, a modern miracle for all eyes I must say!

If it claims to be without error, then why not look at the law it gives within the bible? You must admit for a people coming from such a land like Egypt, the people there using feces to treat wounds?! to having such cleansing laws that rival todays time. We didn't even know germs existed till the 1800s, and is why we had many babies die because of them washing their hands not under running water.

I want to say there is evidence if you so choose to accept it. But it is up to the individual to look. As a believer I can only guide, I can't convince your own heart unless you yourself allow such a thing to happen.

See, and I have absolutely no issue with that. You are a reasonable individual. I can't say the same about mr. gradyll over there though. I have no issue with religion. I only have an issue with it when it leads to hate.

 

[madaz]

not when there is a lack of evidence for the non existence of God.

With all due respect sir the statement you made above makes no sense at all.

The lack of evidence for deities is the evidence itself against the existence for deities?

To make some sense out of it please give an example of evidence for the non existence of a deities?

 

[Zack454]

so science knows if God is on the far side of the universe?

In Christian beliefs, god is omnipresent, is he not? Even so, if god has had the massive effect on our earth, you'd think that we would be able to find some evidence of it.

 

[Gadarene]

If it is of accounts of the past, then you must look to the past. Archaeology has proven time and time again these things have happened.

No, it proves the bare minimum of superficial detail of past events, certainly nothing supernatural is backed up - and this is then extrapolated to justify the entire set of claims being made.

A bit like how the existence of New York "proves" Spiderman to exist.

Interestingly, there are some claimed events in the Bible where there isn't even the bare minimum of superficial evidence to back it up. There is an utter dearth of archaeological evidence for the exodus, for example.

If it is of accounts of the future, then you must look at what it has fulfilled that we can view. Example is the 1947 of Israel coming back together, a modern miracle for all eyes I must say!

Not really. It was entirely engineered by politicking, and Christian apocalyptic prophesying only gets dates right by spewing claims left right and centre, and claiming accuracy when they happen to get something right.

The Israel of 1947 is also nothing like the Israel of the past, both in territory, demographics and government, so it's debatable whether it's the same thing at all.

If it claims to be without error, then why not look at the law it gives within the bible? You must admit for a people coming from such a land like Egypt, the people there using feces to treat wounds?! to having such cleansing laws that rival todays time. We didn't even know germs existed till the 1800s, and is why we had many babies die because of them washing their hands not under running water.

This does not justify the claim that the entire Bible is without error. Again, the validity of each claim needs independent verification. You can't just sneak a bunch of other claims in because one of the happened to be correct.

They don't rival today's time for the exact reason you point out - we know what causes infection, and WHY washing is important. Mosaic law does not explain these things, it merely states that the Israelites must obey and gives dire threats if they don't. For all we know it is entirely coincidental, and likely was.

I want to say there is evidence if you so choose to accept it. But it is up to the individual to look. As a believer I can only guide, I can't convince your own heart unless you yourself allow such a thing to happen.

You can do better than the above, surely.

 

[Gadarene]

so science knows if God is on the far side of the universe?

Incredible. This argument was torn to shreds and you still keep using it.

 

[Non sequitur]

not when there is a lack of evidence for the non existence of God.

Ok. What testable, demonstrable and falsifiable evidence have you?

Think about it like this; you are in court, what do you show.