I guess you can't answer because you are still looking for that verse that says "dead people float off to heaven when they die".
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dollarsbill
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Again you contradict clear Scripture. AFTER 'the second death' they are in torment.
It doesn't "discredit" any Scripture. It agrees. God will burn sinners in the fire.
Or maybe you misunderstand Moses?
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It's possible. Show me the scripture where Moses tells the Israelites that they will be tortured in fire forever after they die if they break the law. If you can't or won't show that scripture, then can you admit that you misunderstand Moses and the rest of Scripture?
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dollarsbill
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You really should stick with the NT. You're not proving anything.
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Moses didn't say anthing about eternal torture in fire. So which is it? Did he know about it and he kept it for a special surprise OR did God hide this wonderful news from Moses?
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dollarsbill
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Totally irrelevant. The NT clearly teaches eternal punishment in the fire.
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Interesting. God and Moses both knew that God would torture anyone who broke the law forever and ever and ever, but they kept it a secret from the people they gave the law to? And you find this news totally irrelevant? I wonder if the Israelites found it irrelevant. How many of them do you suppose said to God after they died "If you would have just told me that I would be tortured for all eternity for breaking the law I would have tried harder to keep it. dang!"
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dollarsbill
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They had the choice to obey or not. They will reap what they sowed. Pretty simple.
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That's hard hearted. Especially since nobody told them your "gospel" of eternal torture in hell.
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So which is it, in your opinion? Did God keep eternal torture in hell a secret from Moses or did Moses know and keep it a secret from the Isrealites when he passed down the law?
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dollarsbill
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I don't know anywhere in the Bible that tells one way or the other. It's still irrelevant. The OT and NT is clear that God does indeed burn humans alive.
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Well, I don't think that a God of love and torture would keep that "fact" to himself, so it must have been Moses.
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dollarsbill
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I did answer.
Again, I did answer. Just because Moses didn't mention the eternal fire doesn't wipe out the NT doctrine. But Moses did mention God burning Sodom alive. Interesting.
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2 Corinthians 5:8
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Because of this we trust and we long to depart from the body and to be with Our Lord.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
American King James Version
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
American Standard Version
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
Douay-Rheims Bible
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Darby Bible Translation
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
English Revised Version
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
Webster's Bible Translation
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Weymouth New Testament
So we have a cheerful confidence, and we anticipate with greater delight being banished from the body and going home to the Lord.
World English Bible
We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
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