The best evidence for Creationism

[AV1611VET]

Still nothing on *how* it was done.

Creatio ex nihilo & creatio ex materia.

 

[Norman321]

If you put hot water in a Thermos flask it keeps it warm, if I put cold water in the same flask it keeps it cold,
How does it know?

Either way, you have hot on one side and cold on the other.
It does not matter to insulation what side is hot and what side is cold.

 

[SkyWriting]

The result of when an atomic nucleus of an unstable atom loses energy by emitting ionizing particles doesn't seem to have a cause.

Or does, "it is it's own cause" work?

Who said it didn't have a cause? I'll have to read more of their research.

 

[Keachian]

Creatio ex nihilo & creatio ex materia.

Creatio ex materia is certainly apparent from the text of scripture, remind me again where it talks about creatio ex nihilo?

 

[SkyWriting]

etc. etc. etc.

1. Can you point me to the organizations on this list that have priceless art collections?

2. The ones that have private jets? Thanks.

1. Most all art museums are non profit.
2.[FONT=&quot] About ACANA [/FONT] The Air Charter Association of North America is a nonprofit organization, which comprises the finest air charter providers in the industry—representing combined annual revenues in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Glad to do your homework for you this time. : )

 

[AV1611VET]

Creatio ex materia is certainly apparent from the text of scripture, remind me again where it talks about creatio ex nihilo?

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

 

[SkyWriting]

If you put hot water in a Thermos flask it keeps it warm, if I put cold water in the same flask it keeps it cold,
How does it know?

The Venus Flytrap, Dionaea muscipula, is a carnivorous plant that catches and digests mostly insects and arachnids.
I wonder why God would make such a plant? or did it evolve?

God created all creatures with an ability to survive a deteriorating environment. The ability to evolve and change somewhat with the conditions. People will all die. Flies as well.

 

[Keachian]

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

While I do agree with you that God did create ex nihilo, neither of those verses actually say, out of nothing God created, they are wonderful statements of God's power and the fact that God created all heavenly things, but really they do not actually lend themselves to the idea of first there was nothing then God spoke and something appeared, in fact there isn't any mention of the previous state at all. In fact you have cut off the second part of one of the verses;

"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"
Which actually changes the meaning and mode of God's creative act being described from as you'd have us believe ex nihilo to ex materia

Do you have any other verses?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have any other verses?

Are you familiar with what is called "basic doctrine"? and do you know the difference between implied truth, expressed truth, and apocalyptic truth?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd like to thank you guys for making me the #1 poster in this thread so far; but I think I've overstayed my welcome.

I simply showed up to tell the OP what my belief was, and the inquisition took it from there.

And although I feel honored that my beliefs draw so much attention, it gets old after awhile.

So please feel free to go to ridicule mode, whilst I vacate this thread, before I reach 3x the number of posts the OP has; or before I get accused of derailing.

But again, I want to thank you all for making me the #1 poster in this thread, but hopefully that won't last after I leave it.

 

[Non sequitur]

Who said it didn't have a cause? I'll have to read more of their research.

Look up "stochastic processes".

Let me know when you have researched it more.

 

[Astridhere]

The pseudo science of evolution, like global warming, is tainted by politics. Follow the money. The results will tend to support the conclusion the grantor is looking for if they wish to continue receiving grant money. Considering the vast majority of our public universities are controlled by God hating liberals, is it any suprise that they side with evolution.

I agree. Wiccan and other evos can rant about nested hierarchies but in the end they mean absolutely nothing but keep researchers employed.

 

[Norman321]

I simply showed up to tell the OP what my belief was, and the inquisition took it from there.

I have noticed that they have an amazing ability to get stuck on things that have nothing at all to do with the Bible. It just confirms the fact that everyone knows deep down inside of them what is true. Because sometimes they have an amazing ability to avoid the truth. To try and deny that they know the truth will not help them any. They will be held accountable, no matter how much they try to deny the truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because sometimes they have an amazing ability to avoid the truth.

Facing the truth requires repentance:

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

... which is foreign to science.

Pray that God will give them 'repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.'

 

[driewerf]

What's this stuff?

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.

It looks like the bar code for a box of spaghetti.

The lack of respect for a book you consider as holy is amazing. But your lack of respect for other cultures is really close to racism.

 

[driewerf]

For God's sake (literally), learn something about your own Bible. I'm not going to tell you why 1550 is a significant date in the history of the Bible. Go find out for yourself. You should know - you have no excuse for not knowing.

Oh no. AV12611VET doesn't need to know. He is the kind of christian that thinks that he is saved by faith alone. Many fundamentalist christian have reinterpreted this in a religious and intellectual laziness.

 

[Keachian]

The lack of respect for a book you consider as holy is amazing. But your lack of respect for other cultures is really close to racism.

He's a KJVO one of the things people should understand is that he doesn't view the originals as holy, or at least less Holy at this point in time. Like quite a lot of fundamentalists the fact that he is proud of his anti-intellectual stance is in many ways sickening and unbiblical, I also find it interesting that fundamentalism has gone so far that way that quite a lot of their faith cannot be drawn even from the Fundamentals for which they are named.

 

[driewerf]

Twin-nested hierarchy - the ability to place organisms into hierarchical taxonomy based on a feature (such as anatomy), and into another hierarchy based on another feature (such as a protein), and those two hierarchies are always the same, as evolution requires. This could just as easily be evidence of a common designer.

Automobiles of one manufacturer share common parts for different models. The thing they have in commmon is the same manufacturer.

Your counterargument fails. The crucial thing about a nested hierarchy is that small differences in features (e.g. a an amino acid sequence in a protein) isvisible in all the descendant species and not in other species. This goes directly against an omnipotent creator that creates all animal species on the same day.

DNA - when Darwin first proposed his theory, he simply posited the existence of some biological mechanism that allowed for variable inheritance. The discovery of DNA, mutations, and the whole field of genetics, validates that fundamental prediction.

DNA is information. Only intelligence creates information.

Fail again. DNA is a molecule.

Macroevolution - there are many observed instances of species evolving brand-new features. The best example is Lemski's 20-year-long study of E. coli, which, over 44,000 generations, evolved the new ability to ingest citric acid directly from its environs, rather than synthesising it internally - a useful feature not seen in E. coli. We also see species of bacteria that can ingest nylon - a synthetic material.

The bacteria remains a bacteria.

Fail again. We have observed the evolution of multicellularity.
Pleiotropy: Watching multicellularity evolve before our eyes
Manifestations of multicellularity: Dictyosteli... [Trends Genet. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI
Dictyostelium discoideum, model organism, social amoeba: facts, life cycle, references at MetaMicrobe

Species are man made classifications.

Fail again. Specias are actually the only "natural" classification. Hihger taxonomic classifications are man made. But species not.

God created all animals in created kinds.One created kind did not evolve from another. They were all created in the six days of creation just as scripture says.

repeat it ennough and it will be proven?

Speciation - as evolution requires, species speciate when genetically isolated. Not only can this be readily induced in the lab (fruit flies being a common example*), it's seen to occur naturally in the wild, and there are striking examples in the form of rings species, all operating exactly as evolution requires.

See response to item 3. The fruit fly remains a fruit fly.

A new species of fruit fly.

Vestigial features - not all features are eternally useful, and so we expect organisms to have features of limited use, but which bear the hallmarks of their ancestors. The quintessential examples are in the cetaceans: they breath air through lungs, they move via caudal oscillation (the tail and spine goes up and down, echoing their terrestrial quadrupedal ancestors, not side to side, like water-breathing fish), they have a pelvis and hindlimbs, they birth live, air-breathing offspring, etc.

Where is the mass of transitional fossils we would expect to see.

List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why are there distinct kinds of animals in existence today and not animals in a transitional phase between two types.

But, evolution is happening today.

 

[driewerf]

As a Creationist, the strongest evidence are the laws of science.
Because none exist for Evolution, the basic laws of Nature win.

1. Energy and matter cannot be Created or Destroyed.

Therefore, there cannot be a Creator.

3. Science says that energy cannot be created, yet it is present.

Therefore, there cannot be a Creator.

 

[mathetes123]

Therefore, there cannot be a Creator.

Therefore, there cannot be a Creator.

Why would you expect the Creator to be limited by the laws He created?