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So apparently nobody actually believes in creationism.
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Not only is this some bizarre non-sequitor, but did you even happen to notice the top of your search result?
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Have you read the three books in the Bible that most people believe were written by Solomon?
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Tradition says Moses wrote Genesis and Exodus, but no scholars believe that today.
The Bible is not evidence for its characters, in the same way the Iliad is not evidence for Achilles, Hector, Zeus, or Apollo.
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LHM, thank you for averring my favorite argument against historical claims vs. supernatural claims, but this thread is about Creationism. Let's leave the apologetical stuff for the appropriate subforums and make the Creationists stick to the science.
The existance or non-existance of Solomon doesn't effect the age of the earth, a literal Genesis or evolution one iota.
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And you suffer from creationism ignorance. Also, you believe that the evidence presented by evolutionists is enough to proved that all biologcial life have a common ancestor. Sorry, but they have not provided evidence of any transition. That's OK, we are all entitled to our religious beliefs here on this forum.
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Why do you ignore my posts and those of all the others on this forum that provide you with what you request?
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We don't know if King Solomon had the mind of Christ. And most Christians do not have the mind of Christ, because they reject his law. Christ says this to the Jews who thought that he was teaching the church to not follow God's law.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." ---- Matthew 5:17-18
If you have the mind of Christ, then you believe and follow the above quote. And last time I checked, heave and earth still exist.
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Hardly. I went to graduate school. My faculty adviser considered Moses the author. He was an agnostic. One of the emeritus professors still lectured part-time and he also considered Moses the compiler &author of the Torah.
I have no idea what the percentages are but it is a long way from "no scholars believes that today." (That is a myth right there alongside the Internet meme "Most scholars claim that Jesus never existed.) I would love to know what is your academic basis for making such an extreme statement that has no basis in fact. I don't care if you happen to doubt Moses authorship. But it makes no sense to attribute your decision to everybody else.
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What is the purpose of that mantra, "There are no transitional fossil forms"?
It is one thing to say, "I choose to reject it." But to claim zero evidence is just blindness or sheer denial. Nobody is impressed by that.
I'm an ex-creationist. I know that the "no evidence" idea is drilled into you by the creationist speakers at conferences and in their books. That doesn't make it anything but stubborn refusal to deal with facts.
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I happen to believe in God. But what is this "true science" you write about? How does it differ from its opposite? (Is the opposite "fake science", pseudo-science, or counterfeit science?)
Is this just a no true scotsman argument?
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You're not even wrong. Because being wrong means you at least understand what this discussion is about. You clearly don't. You have absolutely no idea what evolution claims, or why it is so important to modern biology. I don't trust anyone's opinions on biology if they're not informed.
It is impossible to understand the evidence for evolution if you do not have a solid understanding of modern biology. Most important is probably genetics, but evolution impacts every field in biology. All of these fields of biology (including anatomy, embryology, physiology, genetics, microbiology, botany, ecology, biochemistry, paleontology, pathology, bioinformatics, etc) independently verify evolution. And that's just biology...geology, physics, and chemistry all have their fingers in it too.
We don't need a single transitional fossil to confirm common ancestry. All we need is DNA. It's basically a giant paternity test for all life on earth, and it is consistent. If you think common ancestry is incorrect, you must also throw away the rest of biology.
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His father, Henry Morris is one of the main reasons why I'm no longer a creationist. John simply repeats everything his father wrote and said, even though those ideas date from the 1960's when they were just as ridiculous. I got tired of him denying everything which clashed with his beliefs. I watched opponents shred his quotes and "evidence" and some times he would even defer. But a week later, he was back to using the same dishonest quotation.
A 150 years ago, John Morris would have inherited the snake oil cure business from his father. Henry Morris was a hydrologist. He's the guy you call if your building is being undermined by underground water movements that threaten to create a sinkhole or are washing away your seawall. He was ignorant of biology. Likewise John.
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OK. So what?
I believe in Biblical Creation (as well as the theory of evolution) but the fact that single cells aren't simple proves nothing.
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Unless you ask around. The consensus is that Moses was the editor and contributing author who compiled those sections that we call books.
"Instead there is evidence that Moses took the earlier documents of Adam, Noah, Abraham Enoch Isaac, and Jacob, these documents that were passed on from one generation to the next, and put them together into one book called the BOOK OF GENESIS!"
Who Wrote the Book of Genesis?
"However, mainline and liberal theologians generally accept the "Documentary Hypothesis" which asserts that the Pentateuch was written by five authors or groups of authors, from diverse locations, over a period of centuries."
"It is accepted that Joshua (or a scribe on his behalf) wrote the book of Joshua. Then various people wrote Judges,1 Samuel-2 Chronicles which appears to have been maintained as an official record. The authors of Ruth, Esther and Job are unknown. The Psalms were mostly written by king David, Solomon wrote Proverbs Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon. The rest of the prophetical books were written by the people who gave their names to the books e.g Daniel, Ezekiel.
In the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written by the men of those names; there are some variations on who people think wrote the Acts, but the most probably author seems to be Luke."
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So how did an amazingly complicated and interdependent group of processes form?
And what gave it the drive to form all life that we know on this planet?
And why can't we show that that drive to expand itself is present today?
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Because of Henry Morris I am no longer a young earth Creationist. But I didn't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Young Earth-ness is a human idea that should not be added to the scriptures.
Some religious mucky-muck came up with the idea he could determine the age of the earth using the scriptures. He was mistaken.
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