Atheism. What are your thoughts?

[HakeemSupreme]

To me it's proof of the Supreme Being in that His Word has yet to be proven wrong in any detail...

There are plenty of things that have been proven completely wrong in the bible including the more obvious aspects such as being born in Nazareth/Bethlehem.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Source please?

Start here:

Spectrum of theistic probability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

There are plenty of things that have been proven completely wrong in the bible including the more obvious aspects such as being born in Nazareth/Bethlehem.

God is the truth friend.
When you realize this, you will find the peace that only God can give.
We wait patiently for you, friend.

 

[someguy14]

Certain things might rely on belief, but this is not one of them, as long as its handled carefully. Questions about the material world come down to evidence, not belief.

Without belief, your evidence is of no effect. If you do not believe your evidence, your evidence is disregarded. When you search deep enough into your evidence, it will ultimately reveal the truth that only God could have created such. Whether you choose to believe that or not, it will still remain that truth. The truth is deep. When you believe, your mind cannot help but expand to the deeper truths. Do not be afraid. Seek and you shall find. On the surface, the believers in Christ appear to be simplistic, perhaps, the deeper you go, you will realize that the well is very deep, and guarded by a simplistic view. God desires that none should perish. My wording may not be eloquent as Moses says, The LORD is my strength though.

 

[drjean]

There are plenty of things that have been proven completely wrong in the bible including the more obvious aspects such as being born in Nazareth/Bethlehem.

I would hope that if you truly wish to know the truth, you would check the reputable researchers who have spent their lives looking for real errors (people such as archeologists, scientists, historians)... and don't believe the untruths hot aired pundits write. Think about it. If the Bible had truly been dispelled, the whole world would know it and Christians would slump off in shame. It's a trick of the devil, such as the stolen body of Christ and such... how irrational are their tactics. If you only wish to argue, I'm not interested.

If you are atheist (referring again to the OP) because you think there are untruths in the Bible, it would be a good place to begin your search, imo.

 

[Davian]

I would hope that if you truly wish to know the truth, you would check the reputable researchers who have spent their lives looking for real errors (people such as archeologists, scientists, historians)... and don't believe the untruths hot aired pundits write. Think about it. If the Bible had truly been dispelled, the whole world would know it and Christians would slump off in shame. It's a trick of the devil, such as the stolen body of Christ and such... how irrational are their tactics. If you only wish to argue, I'm not interested.

If you are atheist (referring again to the OP) because you think there are untruths in the Bible, it would be a good place to begin your search, imo.

If you only wish to preach, I'm not interested.

 

[someguy14]

Preaching is a good thing. Teaching people to do wrong isn't.
Glorious are the feet of those that bring peace with glad tidings of good things.

 

[someguy14]

How does one detect a conterfeit bill? By studying the real one first.

 

[Davian]

Preaching is a good thing.

I find your preaching to be quite insulting.

Teaching people to do wrong isn't.

You have not demonstrated that you are right.

Glorious are the feet of those that bring peace with glad tidings of good things.

More preaching.

 

[someguy14]

I find your preaching to be quite insulting.

Love is "quite" the opposite.

You have not demonstrated that you are right.

Right is right.

More preaching.

Gladness and goodness are good. Only those that prefer destruction are burdened by it.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Right is right.

While true, that doesn't mean that you are right.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

While true, that doesn't mean that you are right.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Of course it does. Regardless of How the actual definition of right is, how truth is, I agree that it is right, that it is true. I cannot go wrong professing that truth is truth. Every form of actual truth is true and the truth is of God already. By default and failure of the false, I am right.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Of course it does.

That means that I am right too, since I accept that whatever is right is right.

However, my view of what is right is likely different than yours. So how can we both be right?

I cannot go wrong professing that truth is truth.

I suppose not, since that is a tautology. However, you can be mistaken about what is true.

Consider:

A tiger is a tiger.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I would hope that if you truly wish to know the truth, you would check the reputable researchers who have spent their lives looking for real errors (people such as archeologists, scientists, historians)... and don't believe the untruths hot aired pundits write. Think about it. If the Bible had truly been dispelled, the whole world would know it and Christians would slump off in shame.

Not really. There is hard, scientific evidence that homoeopathy is nothing more than a placebo, yet it's an enormous. We know that the Earth isn't flat, yet Flat Earthers persist. We know the Earth isn't the centre of the universe, yet geocentrism exists. We know the Earth is billions of years old, yet Young Earthers persist. We know vaccinations are good, safe ways to combat deadly disease, yet the anti-vaccination movement persists.

As much as I'd like to share your belief that humans are fundamentally scientific in their beliefs, this simply isn't the case. Sometimes, people just don't take an objective look at the evidence.

So, even if there were hard, scientific evidence that showed each and every verse of the Bible to be balony, that wouldn't stop people from being Christian.

The truth is that there is evidence for some parts of the Bible (Egypt was a real place, the Pharaohs were real people, etc), evidence against other parts (the Sun didn't halt in the sky to allow an extra day of slaughter, as per Joshua 10:13), and no evidence against the rest.

So, it makes no sense to say there's no evidence for or against the Bible, because the Bible makes a lot of claims, some true, some not, some demonstrable, some not.

But you think that stops the Creationists? Your optimism is endearing, but misplaced

It's a trick of the devil, such as the stolen body of Christ and such... how irrational are their tactics. If you only wish to argue, I'm not interested.

This is a forum, debate and discussion is the name of the game.

If you are atheist (referring again to the OP) because you think there are untruths in the Bible, it would be a good place to begin your search, imo.

The main reason someone is an atheist, is because they see no evidence or reason to believe in deities.

 

[Gadarene]

Think about it. If the Bible had truly been dispelled, the whole world would know it and Christians would slump off in shame.

Thought about it.

By this rationale, all currently existent religions (including Christianity before we go into another irrelevant semantic debate) are true, as they are all obviously still persisting.

But most of them mutually contradict, so your argument fails. An idea, or set of ideas' persistence is not a reliable indicator of its veracity.

 

[Davian]

Love is "quite" the opposite.

Not if it is the kind of love you get walking on to a used car lot in an expensive suit.

Right is right.

Then you are wrong.

Gladness and goodness are good. Only those that prefer destruction are burdened by it.

And more preaching.

 

[AtheistAlan]

Atheist Alan,

My question is about morality. Cleopatra murdered members of her own family to become Queen of Egypt, but do her chosen means to consolidate her power "evil"? Was she an "evil" person? The same question applies to Julius Caesar, and numerous other leaders throughout history. A Christian can validly hold the opinion that Cleopatra's means were evil because they can cite the teachings of Jesus who explicitly taught to love thy neighbor as thyself. I guess it boils down to what is "good/right" and what is "evil/wrong" which of course is a question that philosophers have wrestled with since the dawn of time. So what is your view of "good" and "evil"?

I am unaware if anything you stated is anecdotal or fact. I haven't had time to research. But I will answer as if your statements are accurate with history.

I think it was wrong of Cleopatra to murder in order to consolidate power. I don't consider it to be evil. Things are not always black and white.

It is funny you mention a Roman leader. Take Theodosius for example. He fought wars and was a leader. I can safely assume he did other things you could consider evil, and things I consider wrong. Yet he is the one that converted Rome's official religion to Christianity, thus responsible for spreading it's influence to what we know it today. He was proclaimed a saint, but even he did "evil" things. So even saints can do evil with Jesus's teachings.

What I submit, is that you cite Jesus and his teachings for the source of your morality. Let's extend that to the old testament as well as that is the basis of Jesus's faith. What did humans do for morality before the old testament or Jesus?

Also, let's not forget that the same source that you pull your morality from, says it is ok to own slaves and murder your children for talking back.

 

[Diane_Windsor]

AA,

Thank you for your response, bu you're missing the entire point of my question. The question of good and evil is one of the key reasons why I am not an atheist, so it is pretty darn important in my eyes. If there is no heaven nor hell, god, etc. then why should it matter that China, for a modern day example, represses it's own people? Why should we prevent another Holocaust from happening? From an atheistic perspective I cannot come up with a valid reason why the Holocaust was an evil act. From a Jewish, Christian, and Muslim perspectives I can come up with valid reasons to claim that the Holocaust was an evil act. Again, questions concerning morality are vital in my eyes and I cannot become an atheist without a satisfactory answers to these questions.

I would appreciate it if you would answer my question as you promised to do so in your OP and not presume things about where I get my personal morality from

 

[someguy14]

And more preaching.

Preaching is good. All things are good with the creator of goodness. I testify.

Then you are wrong.

God is right. I agree with God fully. I am right.

 

[someguy14]

That means that I am right too, since I accept that whatever is right is right.

If you agree that truth is truth, you are right. All that agree that truth is truth, truely, agree that God is truth.

A tree is a tree. Do you agree?

Lift Him up. You will not be disappointed if you do, with your whole heart friend.