A curious question..

[Tiberius]

Back to the point. With out knowing were to go it is impossible to navigate to a certain place using your way. You need luck to find that place. Because 'obiously' you don't know were you are going...

You are assuming that these people were intentionally sailing to undiscovered islands, and they went directly there. Both of these assumptions are unwarranted. They could have been sailing for other reasons, and they may have taken a circuitous route the first time they went there, gradually developing a more and more direct route.

 

[Elendur]

Lillen is missing the excruciatingly obvious -- navigating to places we don't know of (yet) is called "exploration."

We go to places we don't know, and once we get there, we know them.

 

[Lillen]

Are you actually going to refute that?? Are you serious?

 

[Elendur]

Are you actually going to refute that?? Are you serious?

Refute what?

 

[Lillen]

I'll give you a hint. Don't take forth maps, dont cheat. I gonna give you an unknowned place, a unknowned spot. And you will tell me what direction i shall go by simply looking at the stars, using your way of navigating by stars. Peurto Rico (Not south america). Exploration routes has found this but to you it is unknowed.

Which bloody way should i go?

 

[Elendur]

I'll give you a hint. Don't take forth maps, dont cheat. I gonna give you an unknowned place, a unknowned spot. And you will tell me what direction i shall go by simply looking at the star. Peurto Rico (Not south america). Exploration routes has found this but to you it is unknowed.

Which bloody way should i go?

You're doing it wrong.
Exploration doesn't work by trying to get to a destination, you explore by traveling into unknown territory.

 

[Lillen]

We agree exploration is travelling into a unknowned terrotory, I have already mentioned it. I gave you an unknowned territory, Puerto Rico. To you it is unknowned. In the same manners that hawaii was unknowned to malaysians.

How did they get there?

 

[Elendur]

We agree exploration is travelling into a unknowned terrotory, I have already mentioned it. I gave you an unknowned territory, Puerto Rico. To you it is unknowned. In the same manners that hawaii was unknowned to malaysians.

How did they get there?

Canoes.

 

[Lillen]

There is no bloody limit on how dumb you can get by sitting infront of a computer. Now I don't believe you are dumb, but the computer is messing with your mind so that you look dumb before others. My prayers is that someone will pinch whole into your tiny little bubble to world you live in.

Give me a location i haven't been on, i havent seened. Such as your mothers appartment or parhaps UN Secretary base. Give me the star image i should look at, to find that place. Which direction I shall go when exploring a new unknowned territory that is unknowned to me, similar like hawaii was unknowned to malysians...

It requires LUCK to find the place, using your way

 

[Lillen]

You need to know were you are and were you are going inorder to navigate. And exploration the way you do it requires luck to discover new territory. Such as going to india but finding a whole new continent.

I need to know which direction i shall go the first place inorder to found new territory.

You are not dumb...

 

[Elendur]

There is no bloody limit on how dumb you can get by sitting infront of a computer. Now I don't believe you are dumb, but the computer is messing with your mind so that you look dumb before others. My prayers is that you tiny little bubble to world will get loosed.

Give me a location i haven't been on, i havent seened. Such as your mothers appartment or parhaps UN Secretary base. Give me the star image i should look at, to find that place. Which direction I shall go when exploring a new unknowned territory that is unknowned to me, similar like hawaii was unknowned to malysians...

It requires LUCK to find the place, using your way

I don't see why exploring shouldn't include luck.
But it's also the knowledge of the sky, sea, weather and animals that helped them in this specific event.

You think I look stupid in my little bubble? Please stick to the topic.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

There is no bloody limit on how dumb you can get by sitting infront of a computer. Now I don't believe you are dumb, but the computer is messing with your mind so that you look dumb before others. My prayers is that you tiny little bubble to world will get loosed.

Give me a location i haven't been on, i havent seened. Such as your mothers appartment or parhaps UN Secretary base. Give me the star image i should look at, to find that place. Which direction I shall go when exploring a new unknowned territory that is unknowned to me, similar like hawaii was unknowned to malysians...

It requires LUCK to find the place, using your way

The place is unknown to you, but there are places out there. You don't go exploring looking for a pre-determined place. You go exploring looking for new places.

"Go to Puerto Rico" isn't exploration. It's a known destination. "Go to that island, and see what's over the horizon", that's exploration. They could see the island, but didn't know what was there. Once there, they went further.

If they travelled somewhere and it was just empty ocean, they knew how to navigate back to their home. That's exploration.

Even if a million people died doing this (they didn't), all it would take it one person to find the island (perhaps during a storm, or by chance, or by noticing the ripples in the water), and then they can go back and say, "There's an island over there". That's exploration.

 

[Lillen]

You're all trying to make me look stupid, aren't you?? I say this once again, navigating to a unknowned territory is impossible the way you do it. They could not know that the terrotry was there in the first place making it imossible to know whether to go to south, north, east or west.

This is how you explore:

You take one star when entering the unknowned. A star that indicates to you it will take you to heaven. You pull the star down from the sheet up there and let it be the sun during day. You follow that sun until next night and repete that until you find heaven. Sailing on the stars to heaven is possible. Colombo did that so can you...

 

[Elendur]

You're all trying to make me look stupid, aren't you?? I say this once again, navigating to a unknowned territory is impossible the way you do it. They could not know that the terrotry was there in the first place making it imossible to know whether to go to south, north, east or west.

This is how you explore:

You take one star when entering the unknowned. A star that indicates to you it will take you to heaven. You pull the star down from the sheet up there and let it be the sun during day. You follow that sun until next night and repete that until you find heaven. Sailing on the stars to heaven is possible. Colombo did that so can you...

So according to you, you haven't set eyes upon the horizon? I know I have gone over areas I haven't know several times, heck I have even taken a boat to new areas.

You're essentially saying that because they didn't know of the place, they cannot go there. That is wrong. Plain wrong.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You're all trying to make me look stupid, aren't you?? I say this once again, navigating to a unknowned territory is impossible the way you do it. They could not know that the terrotry was there in the first place making it imossible to know whether to go to south, north, east or west.

Actually, they can. Simply wandering in a random direction will, occasionally, uncover new places. Just look at the European discovery of the Americas. It's more sophisticated than that, though. You can look at the patterns of waves, and deduce that an island beyond the horizon is creating the wave pattern. You can look at the birds in the sky: seagulls live on the coast, and don't really go out to sea all that far, so if you see them in the middle of the ocean towards the west, it's a fair bet there's land in that direction.

People aren't idiots. If you want to find a new island in the ocean, there are hallmarks that signal an island.

 

[Lillen]

You're essentially saying that because they didn't know of the place, they cannot go there

Using your way to navigate...

Lets assume we haven't seened a map and i know i am on the west coast of america. There are places i have never heard of, that is just as unknowned to us as Hawaii was to indoneasian. Now take us to the unknowned place using your way to navigate.

Simply saying, malysians back then knew malysia well they parhaps even had maps over their home. But you need a clue to know which way to navigate to find hawaii in the first place. Now tell me, i stand on the east coast of Malysia, and i want to go to hawaii. - How can i do that navigating your way (Assuming it is unknowned territory to me)?

 

[Lillen]

Remeber it is unknowned to me!!!

 

[Elendur]

Using your way to navigate...

Lets assume we haven't seened a map and i know i am on the west coast of america. There are places i have never heard of, that is just as unknowned to us as Hawaii was to indoneasian. Now take us to the unknowned place using your way to navigate.

Simply saying, malysians back then knew malysia well they parhaps even had maps over their home. But you need a clue to know which way to navigate to find hawaii in the first place. Now tell me, i stand on the east coast of Malysia, and i want to go to hawaii. - How can i do that navigating your way (Assuming it is unknowned territory to me)?

Now you're doing it again, exploration doesn't have a target!

 

[Lillen]

There is no bloody limit on how misunderstood you can become over the internet. Which way should I navigate when I don't have a target to navigate to???

 

[Elendur]

There is no bloody limit on how misunderstood you can become over the internet. Which way should I navigate when I don't have a target to navigate to???

You decide, that's exploration!