Methods Of Dating Rock & Fossils

[NGC 6712]

Hilarious. So you can prove that no spiritual is involved in either the future the far past, or deep space!!!? Ha. It would not be funny if you were not supposed to know what you are talking about. Man, have I been over rating my enemies. I need to relax and be happy more. Thanks for that.

But I do know what I am talking about in regard to the science. However you never have and never will.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

General request to mods. I'm sure the request has been made and ignored before, but could we please ban the science trolls? You know who they are.

Or at least ban them from the science forums?

 

[dad]

But I do know what I am talking about in regard to the science. However you never have and never will.

Best to demonstrate that here rather than talk a good talk. I am waiting and ready.

 

[dad]

General request to mods. I'm sure the request has been made and ignored before, but could we please ban the science trolls? You know who they are.

Or at least ban them from the science forums?

Ah, at last a science post. Thanks. We all can try to emulate you I guess. Hey, by the way, what is your response to this BB?

"
Now, looking at the title of the thread I see that the emphasis should be on radioactive decay dating. Here is a thought experiment you can run.

We take 4 tennis balls, with water in them. All connected by little tubes, some thin, some wider. We put the balls on a long board, maybe 7 feet long. The board is tilted, so that we see water flow down from the highest ball, and work it's way down. The angle of the board is only slightly tilted the one way. The top ball is the 'parent' ball. The next one down is connected by a very very thin straw like tube, representing slow decay to the next tennis ball. If the present decay rate is faster, then we have a wider 'straw'. Like isotopes in Uranium, then, or some rock, we have a 'chain' representing parent to daughter decay.

Now, I reach down representing a state change, and tilt the board the other way a similar angle! The parent balls are no longer in that role.


This is a simplified illustration."

 

[razeontherock]

There is observational evidence for those two - dads nonsense is evidentiary only in dads mind.

Spiritual =/= "Dad's nonsense." The evidence of dark energy and matter is based on presuming there must be a force, to account for what is observed. You very well called these terms "place holders," and that is in fact what the word "God" is.

So my question stands, what is the difference between these 2 and Spirit? It itself is not observed, and scientists have always (always used to, anyway) recognized that they are beholding the hand of God.

 

[dad]

Spiritual =/= "Dad's nonsense."

So what does it equal, if not the bible based ideas I have striven towards?? Do tell?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Spiritual =/= "Dad's nonsense." The evidence of dark energy and matter is based on presuming there must be a force, to account for what is observed. You very well called these terms "place holders," and that is in fact what the word "God" is.

So my question stands, what is the difference between these 2 and Spirit? It itself is not observed, and scientists have always (always used to, anyway) recognized that they are beholding the hand of God.

So, God is a placeholder. Is that the same as a 'God of the gaps'?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Ah, at last a science post. Thanks. We all can try to emulate you I guess. Hey, by the way, what is your response to this BB?

"
Now, looking at the title of the thread I see that the emphasis should be on radioactive decay dating. Here is a thought experiment you can run.

We take 4 tennis balls, with water in them. All connected by little tubes, some thin, some wider. We put the balls on a long board, maybe 7 feet long. The board is tilted, so that we see water flow down from the highest ball, and work it's way down. The angle of the board is only slightly tilted the one way. The top ball is the 'parent' ball. The next one down is connected by a very very thin straw like tube, representing slow decay to the next tennis ball. If the present decay rate is faster, then we have a wider 'straw'. Like isotopes in Uranium, then, or some rock, we have a 'chain' representing parent to daughter decay.

Now, I reach down representing a state change, and tilt the board the other way a similar angle! The parent balls are no longer in that role.


This is a simplified illustration."

My response? With absolutely no intention to offend or upset anyone, my response is to point out that trying to talk to someone about a psychotic belief is utterly pointless.

 

[NGC 6712]

Best to demonstrate that here rather than talk a good talk. I am waiting and ready.

I have mentioned things on other threads but you have no interest in science or its methodology. You never have.

No matter what you'll play the (intellectually false) "get out of jail card" you always use.

 

[dad]

My response? With absolutely no intention to offend or upset anyone, my response is to point out that trying to talk to someone about a psychotic belief is utterly pointless.

Well, as lurkers might realize, decay involves daughter and parent material. Really. The way it works is that the parent produces daughter material in this present state world. It takes a certain amount of time. This can be and is measured. I am not making this stuff up.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Well, as lurkers might realize, decay involves daughter and parent material. Really. The way it works is that the parent produces daughter material in this present state world. It takes a certain amount of time. This can be and is measured. I am not making this stuff up.

You're making up the changing rate stuff, since it can NOT be measured.

 

[dad]

I have mentioned things on other threads but you have no interest in science or its methodology. You never have.

No matter what you'll play the (intellectually false) "get out of jail card" you always use.

I won't let you wave away the known history of the world, no. Neither will you be allowed to wave in an only physical and earth state law bound universe. You will need evidence. Careful, I can hardly even remember my old arguments in the EVC days. That was like my opinions when they were an embryo, rather than a grown man.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

I won't let you wave away the known history of the world, no. Neither will you be allowed to wave in an only physical and earth state law bound universe. You will need evidence. Careful, I can hardly even remember my old arguments in the EVC days. That was like my opinions when they were an embryo, rather than a grown man.

KNOWN history?

 

[dad]

You're making up the changing rate stuff, since it can NOT be measured.

Measured by...who? And what can't be measured?

 

[dad]

KNOWN history?

Right. Known in the sense that it is all man knows that came down. Better than making stuff up, no?

 

[NGC 6712]

I won't let you wave away the known history of the world, no. Neither will you be allowed to wave in an only physical and earth state law bound universe. You will need evidence. Careful, I can hardly even remember my old arguments in the EVC days. That was like my opinions when they were an embryo, rather than a grown man.

You are the one disregarding known history in the scientific arena. Whenever facts are stated you just whine "different state past" or some other such phrase that cannot be parsed.

Someone else in a post called this for what it was - a psychosis.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Right. Known in the sense that it is all man knows that came down. Better than making stuff up, no?

So where does that leave your alternate history of the universe story?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Measured by...who?

competent scientists?

And what can't be measured?

The changing fundamental physical values you're changing state theory relies on?

 

[dad]

You are the one disregarding known history in the scientific arena.

False. Not a one!

Whenever facts are stated you just whine "different state past" or some other such phrase that cannot be parsed.

Facts that can't be extended out of the fishbowl are fishbowl facts.

 

[dad]

competent scientists?

great. Sio what did they measure?

The changing fundamental physical values you're changing state theory relies on?

Not by science, no. That is a good reason they better be quiet about it. They can defer to God and history. Is that clear?