Methods Of Dating Rock & Fossils

[thaumaturgy]

Especially when your zeal to ridicule causes you to type before you think, eh?

Yeah. But if you knew what Elijah and Jeremiah did to my dog you'd understand why. One day my dog, Aleister Growley, was out back barking at the kitty-cabras that haunt our neighborhood when Elijah descended from Heaven for a brief visit.

Well, Aleister got all worked up and started nipping at Elijah's feet. Suddenly Jeremiah comes down as well (you know those OT prophets, they always have each others' back) and he started some long "jeremiad" at my dog. He started off by yelling at Aleister: "Let free of Elijah's robe, dread hound! retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction."

Well, when Aleister didn't let go he just kept on: "Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay you, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil you, a leopard shall watch over your back yard: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because your transgressions are many".

After a while of this (along with Elijah occasionally squealing and hurting his ears) Aleister started to feel really "down" and depressed.

And since these guys were simply not "getting it" and weren't leaving (to be fair it wasn't their back yard...it was my dog's) finally he gave up. And for the next full 3 hours Elijah and Jeremiah just wandered around the back yard.

Sheesh.

 

[juvenissun]

Ouch! So why not? Do I intimidate you?

By your geological knowledge?
May be in your next life, if you have one.

 

[thaumaturgy]

By your geological knowledge?
May be in your next life, if you have one.

LOL. You're funny.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Especially when your zeal to ridicule causes you to type before you think, eh?

Why, is this what happens to you?

 

[dad]

Wrong again, dad.
NASA - PIONEER 10 SPACECRAFT SENDS LAST SIGNAL

Well, your article says it stopped sending.....some great white hope. Then there is the anomaly issues. Hey, face it, man's reach is small.

 

[dad]

No. Your vague statement doesn't mean anything.

Yes. It means face the facts. Man has only part of the picture.

Those ancient Greeks, they got it all wrong! Trial by jury, democracy, logic, rigorous mathematics, philosophy, and applied science; all happened first in ancient Greece, for some reason it doesn't surprise me that you don't like them.

Well, I guess we could separate the men from the boys in that time. (crowbar)

Like any vicious beast, the kingdom of Greece had their day. I long for the days when the peaceful kingdom of God forever rules. As for their philosophy...well, not too impressed. Their gods? Nah, not so impressive either. Alexander? Well, not my hero. He died as young as a rock star almost, in a pitiful state.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Yes. It means face the facts. Man has only part of the picture.

Thankfully men like you have more of a bigger picture view. I'm impressed that the universe devalues logic so much, though.

Well, I guess we could separate the men from the boys in that time. (crowbar)

Oh, this is SO FUNNY!

And "insightful"! Yeah them greeks done come up with lots of that philosophy and mathematics and all that thinkin' stuff but they were busy rogering each other in the beeeeee-hind! Har har har har har. Hey Plato, suck it! Har har har har.

Like any vicious beast, the kingdom of Greece had their day.

I don't recall Greece being a "vicious beast". And by "Kingdom of Greece" are you referring to the country established in 1832 in the Convention of London after independence from the Ottoman empire? Or the re-establishment in 1935?

I long for the days when the peaceful kingdom of God forever rules. As for their philosophy...well, not too impressed.

Not impressed by their philosophy? Why am I not surprised? Have you ever had a philosophy class? I never got that impression from our frequent "discussions" on philosophy. Well by "discussion" I usually mean you sneering at every philosophical topic while I attempt to provide explanations about what philosophy says. But, hey, I understand, like science, it's hard to do philosophy. You have to actually think. And that's bad.

Their gods? Nah, not so impressive either.

Well, you better hope you worship the right one! I mean, if Zeus hears you talk like that and he casts you into hades you'll be thinking differently!

Alexander? Well, not my hero. He died as young as a rock star almost, in a pitiful state.

Take it up with the Macedonians.

 

[Tiberius]

Wahhh

Sadly, this is one of your more sensible posts...

 

[dad]

Thankfully men like you have more of a bigger picture view. I'm impressed that the universe devalues logic so much, though.

If yours got devalued, guess that comes with the territory of a same state position.

Oh, this is SO FUNNY!

And "insightful"! Yeah them greeks done come up with lots of that philosophy and mathematics and all that thinkin' stuff but they were busy rogering each other in the beeeeee-hind! Har har har har har. Hey Plato, suck it! Har har har har.

Respect the pervs all you like. They can take a hike and their silly blather that some think passed for wisdom.

I don't recall Greece being a "vicious beast". And by "Kingdom of Greece" are you referring to the country established in 1832 in the Convention of London after independence from the Ottoman empire? Or the re-establishment in 1935?

I was referring to the time when they were a major world power. There were four in the bible. Babylon, Medo Persia Greece and Rome. All pictured as beasts. The final world power will again be Rome, or the remnants of it...headed by the Antichrist.

Not impressed by their philosophy? Why am I not surprised? Have you ever had a philosophy class? I never got that impression from our frequent "discussions" on philosophy. Well by "discussion" I usually mean you sneering at every philosophical topic while I attempt to provide explanations about what philosophy says. But, hey, I understand, like science, it's hard to do philosophy. You have to actually think. And that's bad.

I can think, thanks. And nothing the pagan dolts thought impresses me all that much, no matter how much time is wasted studying the depths of their insanity.

Well, you better hope you worship the right one! I mean, if Zeus hears you talk like that and he casts you into hades you'll be thinking differently!

OK. In the faith department, I have treaded carefully.

Take it up with the Macedonians.

Nah, they can deal with it. It is what it is.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Respect the pervs all you like. They can take a hike and their silly blather that some think passed for wisdom.

So do you like pervy ideas like "democracy"? Or is it too perverted for you?

I can think, thanks. And nothing the pagan dolts thought impresses me all that much, no matter how much time is wasted studying the depths of their insanity.

Ignorance of what came before will not serve you well.

What others do you ignore? Do you dislike the early Muslims? (So I assume you don't use arabic numerals and I suspect your ability with algebra is pretty shaky).

Nah, they can deal with it. It is what it is.

LOL. Guessing you didn't even catch the meaning of that. Oh well. You are what you are.

 

[dad]

So do you like pervy ideas like "democracy"? Or is it too perverted for you?

That depends on if God was a real part of that free for all or not. Having wicked men able to kill babies and keep kids in the dark about the truth etc is not my idea of utopia, if that is what you mean. It seems to amount to demonocracy these days anyhow.

Ignorance of what came before will not serve you well.

No, so what came before? You realize Daniel and God and etc came before Greece and their nonsense?

What others do you ignore? Do you dislike the early Muslims? (So I assume you don't use arabic numerals and I suspect your ability with algebra is pretty shaky).

All pagan knowledge has it's place. Good or bad.

LOL. Guessing you didn't even catch the meaning of that. Oh well. You are what you are.

I guess that is true. We are what we are. Good thing God is what He is too! Otherwise we all would be in one terrible mess.

 

[sandwiches]

No, so what came before? You realize Daniel and God and etc came before Greece and their nonsense?

You don't know this. Talk about what you know not what you think you know.

 

[dad]

You don't know this. Talk about what you know not what you think you know.

Last Thursday and Daniel are real. Try questioning your own sanity, not that of others.

 

[hisgrace26]

I find this topic to be my interest and have lots of question regarding it. My first question is about radioisotopes dating. When people discuss about ratios say uranium and lead in order to know how much was initially in the sample. What exactly are they referring to?

 

[Michael]

I find this topic to be my interest and have lots of question regarding it. My first question is about radioisotopes dating. When people discuss about ratios say uranium and lead in order to know how much was initially in the sample. What exactly are they referring to?

They are "typically" (not always) talking about how long it takes for a PURE sample of say uranium to decay into the various elements they find in their sample today. The uncertainty factor comes from ASSUMING that the same sample was a PURE sample at sometime in the past.

In carbon dating, it's a bit different. Living things tend to concentrate a KIND (a particular isotope) of carbon that decays over time (C14). They can then tell long it's been since that living thing was alive, but it's only accurate to about 45-55 thousand years, due to the decay rate of of C14. After about 45K years, all (once) living things returned to pretty much a 'background state" of C14/C13 content and will remain that way indefinitely.

 

[thaumaturgy]

I find this topic to be my interest and have lots of question regarding it. My first question is about radioisotopes dating. When people discuss about ratios say uranium and lead in order to know how much was initially in the sample. What exactly are they referring to?

There are techniques in Radiometric dating that don't necessarily need to take into account the "original" concentration directly or the assumption that daughter isotopes are not there at time zero.

So they avoid the problem with an assumption of how much was originally in the sample.

This technique is called ISOCHRON DATING.

You can see how the technique works generally speaking HERE

 

[Michael]

You can see how the technique works generally speaking HERE

FYI, that link is no good.

 

[dad]

I find this topic to be my interest and have lots of question regarding it. My first question is about radioisotopes dating. When people discuss about ratios say uranium and lead in order to know how much was initially in the sample. What exactly are they referring to?

I think they look at the rate in which the parent isotope now decays and produces the daughter isotopes. Then they imagine how much time if this decay had of existed, it would take to produce all the daughter material.

 

[pgp_protector]

FYI, that link is no good.

Link works fine.

 

[dad]

They are "typically" (not always) talking about how long it takes for a PURE sample of say uranium to decay into the various elements they find in their sample today. The uncertainty factor comes from ASSUMING that the same sample was a PURE sample at sometime in the past.

In carbon dating, it's a bit different. Living things tend to concentrate a KIND (a particular isotope) of carbon that decays over time (C14). They can then tell long it's been since that living thing was alive, but it's only accurate to about 45-55 thousand years, due to the decay rate of of C14.

Completely false. The accuracy is only good as long as this present nature existed. If the basic formula was different in the amount of C14 that existed or etc etc etc etc etc etc etc then all dates are OFF. The calibrations are also off. For example if a nature change (in laws) happened say 4400 years ago, and trees used to grow fully in a month or so, then a full grown tree with say, 300 rings, would only represent a month. In the present time, they represent a year per ring more or less. In calibrating dates using rings, a year is what is used. Therefore as I said it is only good in this state.