the awaited messiah of the Jews

[dfw69]

If the awaited messiah of the Jews comes tomorrow.....would he be a false messiah if he was not Jesus?....for believers in the Christian faith....he would be false....Jesus said to be not deceive......when they say behold he is in the desert or secret chamber....do not go after him...the theme of the new testament is that Jesus is the true king and savior of Israel....all others false....past present and future

 

[LoAmmi]

Does this person accomplish all the prophecies? If so, he cannot possibly be false.

 

[dfw69]

hello LoAmmi....do you know of a good link that list all the messianic prophecies?

 

[LoAmmi]

hello LoAmmi....do you know a good link that list all the messianic prophecies?

Not one that would be allowed on this forum.

 

[xDenax]

Is the OP a statement or a question? For Jews or for Christians?

 

[dfw69]

Does this person accomplish all the prophecies? If so, he cannot possibly be false.

Good answer i cant argue with that....and Jesus will fulfill them...no doubt

 

[dfw69]

Is the OP a statement or a question? For Jews or for Christians?

All are welcome to respond...i have given a question to hear the response of others....and also left my statement on the matter

 

[dfw69]

Will this awaited messiah when he comes....allow Christianity along with other religions to continue?....or will they be put down?

 

[dfw69]

Not one that would be allowed on this forum.

we can use this thread to go over as many messianic prophecies ....i would like to hear your take on them....

 

[oi_antz]

Jesus said very clearly that He will come with all the angels. You will not be able to mistake that event. I feel however that if a person arises when prophetic events are perceived to be ripe, then that person not being Jesus Christ returning from Heaven with the power of God, will most likely be the antichrist wielding the power of Satan as prophesied in Revelation. Helpful? Wrong? Thanks

 

[dfw69]

Jesus said very clearly that He will come with all the angels. You will not be able to mistake that event. I feel however that if a person arises when prophetic events are perceived to be ripe, then that person not being Jesus Christ returning from Heaven with the power of God, will most likely be the antichrist wielding the power of Satan as prophesied in Revelation. Helpful? Wrong? Thanks

yes Jesus said his coming will b as lightning....spectacular ....with saints....the dead raised.....all the prophets of old on earth...David Moses and others will be here....it will be pretty convincing.....all messianic prophecies fulfilled...it will b glorious....

 

[LoAmmi]

This thread should not be called the Messiah of the Jews but, rather, the Antichrist if this is the path of discussion people wish to take. I know this might be hard to believe, but (depending on flavor of Christianity) the actions of the Antichrist in the book of Revelation would actually cause the Jews to reject that person as Messiah as well.

I have had people tell me this person will claim to be HaShem. That would cause Jews to reject him. We do not accept a man as HaShem.

The Messiah of the Jews is not the Antichrist. I am willing to say that it could be Jesus, but as of now the prophecies remain unfulfilled. I take a wait-and-see approach, since we are told by the prophets what will identify the person and nobody has completed all of the tasks.

I will post this from Wikipedia as I am hoping pulling it from an independent source will not be seen as promoting and, I am certain, Christians will be able to point to some and say Jesus did it:

• Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[5]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

 

[LoAmmi]

The list does not include anything about the Temple oddly enough. I know for certain that the rebuilding of the Temple is in the Tanakh.

 

[dfw69]

When i say the awaited messiah of the Jews ....Im distinguishing from our messiah Jesus with those Jews who awaiting a messiah.....i don't know any other way to say it....

Is it promoting ?.....when someone ask you to share your beliefs?....for i would like to here your thoughts....i hope they allow you to share your thoughts with me....so that i may understand Judaism better....one can read about it all day....but to hear it from the preachers mouth says volumes .....

 

[LoAmmi]

When i say the awaited messiah of the Jews ....Im distinguishing from our messiah Jesus with those Jews who awaiting a messiah.....i don't know any other way to say it....

I understand but basically the being continually being described is the Antichrist. In effect, we are not discussing Jewish beliefs or expectations about the Messiah described in the prophets, we are discussing Christian expectations of the Antichrist. There is a world of difference between the two.

 

[SanFrank]

The list does not include anything about the Temple oddly enough. I know for certain that the rebuilding of the Temple is in the Tanakh.

Are things cut and dry and plain as written or does Gd use all circumstances to work His will. I think islam has been used by Gd to keep the new nation of israel from rebuilding the temple, up til now; not that islam is correct. And islam was made to counter christianity, mentioning Christ in its scripture time and again. I tell you it is also a means of closing ears so that people no longer hear Christ or the good news because if people heard it, they could turn and be saved.

Off to work.

 

[dfw69]

Well then let us continue to discuss the expectations of the messiah written in the prophets....that should have been the op.....for that is what i am seeking to learn from you....

 

[dfw69]

This thread should not be called the Messiah of the Jews but, rather, the Antichrist if this is the path of discussion people wish to take. I know this might be hard to believe, but (depending on flavor of Christianity) the actions of the Antichrist in the book of Revelation would actually cause the Jews to reject that person as Messiah as well.

I have had people tell me this person will claim to be HaShem. That would cause Jews to reject him. We do not accept a man as HaShem.

The Messiah of the Jews is not the Antichrist. I am willing to say that it could be Jesus, but as of now the prophecies remain unfulfilled. I take a wait-and-see approach, since we are told by the prophets what will identify the person and nobody has completed all of the tasks.



I will post this from Wikipedia as I am hoping pulling it from an independent source will not be seen as promoting and, I am certain, Christians will be able to point to some and say Jesus did it:

• Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[4] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established."(Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[5]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

good post by the way....its what i am seeking...keep em coming..

 

[LoAmmi]

Well then let us continue to discuss the expectations of the messiah written in the prophets....that should have been the op.....for that is what i am seeking to learn from you....

It is actually a rather simple thing. In general, what Jews expect the Messiah to do, Christians expect Jesus to do in the Second Coming. Certain details such as people being judged to go to Hell are different, but the basic result is the same.

 

[dfw69]

there i change the title for you...my intentions was not to make another antichrist thread.....thank you for correcting me....peace