The ice age and the flood

[dad]

.. Most of the time we look at Gen 1 as an artefact of its time

Then I look at you as an artifact of your time. The great I AM who was and is and is to come ought to know stuff. Rethink your position. Come on over to the winnin side. The water is fine.

and it really does show, the cosmology described in the passage is a very bronze age middle eastern one, flat earth and everything.

False. That is an insult to intelligence and God to claim a flat earth was something He spoke of. I can understand people not believing what He said, but try to draw the line at insulting Him.

From the way that God creates the world we draw parallels with the creation of a temple seeing that God created the world as a home, he is the God with us,

I am not a building. Really. Neither is God, we are in His image. Do not try to use your analogy to bludgeon the basic history of man as told by God.

God's thoughts and ways really are high high high high high above yours, and so called science's. Accept that and progress can be made.

 

[dad]

Before the dissolution of the monasteries in England and elswhere in Europe pilgrims were cheated and conned out of their money as a matter of course.
...

Progress came about. They were retrained to new careers, and we now have trainloads of politicians.

 

[dad]

.. Parables are word pictures of something that could be or may be later in another fashion.

You make up that rule? Can you prove that Jesus obeyed it??

And yes, Jesus used a lot of parables. And God had "painted" a lot of 'picture' in O.T. using people, situations, nations, prophecies, etc. often telling the same thing in many different ways, trying to get us to get the picture. Some do, some don't, some don't care, but they''ll learn as we all will someday.

God did use illustrations in the OT. But He used real people for the play! Then an angel or someone would usually explain how it related to Israel or whatever. So you may not use that to wave away parables as possibly a lot more real than normal lying men tend to suspect.

 

[Keachian]

Then I look at you as an artifact of your time. The great I AM who was and is and is to come ought to know stuff. Rethink your position. Come on over to the winnin side. The water is fine.

I side with none but Christ.

False. That is an insult to intelligence and God to claim a flat earth was something He spoke of. I can understand people not believing what He said, but try to draw the line at insulting Him.

It is an insult to a literal reading of the text to say otherwise, you are not a literalist by any stretch of the imagination, you are inserting your pseudoscience and pseudotheology left right and center, you muddy the word of God.

I am not a building. Really. Neither is God, we are in His image. Do not try to use your analogy to bludgeon the basic history of man as told by God.

Do you not know that you are the Temple of God?

God's thoughts and ways really are high high high high high above yours, and so called science's. Accept that and progress can be made.

I do accept that, to know God to truly know God is not something that I claim to have acheived, because we see in a mirror dimly but soon face to face, truly knowing even as we have been truly known. However my knowledge of God tells me that Christ in all things is more important than worrying about what the past says, did not Christ say don't worry about what has passed? And also did he not say that ALL of the prophets and law testified of him, how can we then say that it must be that the world was built in six days, does this testify of Christ? No! But the idea that God created the world so that he could be the Emmanuel does.

Look at Genesis 5, does it not say that man appointed mortal sorrow, the blessed God shall come down, teaching that his death shall bring the despairing comfort?

 

[Greg1234]

No, I think you're confusing Cupid Dave's heresy for what I believe.

God is and was and is to come, without God there is nothing, I'm also pretty sure that all of Jesus' parables point to God in some way or another.

So no gaps then?

 

[Greg1234]

You're really hung up on this idea that Theistic Evolutionists interpret the Bible to be all about evolution, we don't. Most of the time we look at Gen 1 as an artefact of its time and it really does show, the cosmology described in the passage is a very bronze age middle eastern one, flat earth and everything.

Ok so what metal did Jesus use to turn water into wine? Bronze or gold?

 

[Keachian]

So no gaps then?

To be more precise to what I believe, I believe that God is creating even now, Jesus said "I work even as my father is still working."

 

[AV1611VET]

To be more precise to what I believe, I believe that God is creating even now, Jesus said "I work even as my father is still working."

And when will that end? when He suddenly destroys it all, as Peter mentions?

 

[Keachian]

And when will that end? when He suddenly destroys it all, as Peter mentions?

When God wants it to end, do I dictate to God who is saved and who is not saved? No! far be it from me a sinner to judge other sinners.

 

[AV1611VET]

No! far be it from me a sinner to judge other sinners.

Are you a sinner because you sin, or do you sin because you are a sinner?

(Or do you even know the difference?)

 

[Greg1234]

To be more precise to what I believe, I believe that God is creating even now, Jesus said "I work even as my father is still working."

Well it has to sustain doesn't it? Or is it more Darwinian?

 

[Keachian]

Are you a sinner because you sin, or do you sin because you are a sinner?

(Or do you even know the difference?)

I do know the difference but that's a question linked to the Augustinian idea of Original Sin, right?

 

[Keachian]

Well it has to sustain doesn't it? Or is it more Darwinian?

You could draw that parallel that God's continuous act of creation is a form of sustaining the universe.

What does Darwin have to do with any of this, we're discussing theology not science.

 

[Jazer]

And when will that end? when He suddenly destroys it all, as Peter mentions?

God does not destory the world, He will get out of the way and allow man to destory himself.

Thessalonians 2:7 the KJV says, "Only he who now letteth will let." This is speaking of the Holy Spirit who hinders the forces of sin.

 

[Greg1234]

You could draw that parallel that God's continuous act of creation is a form of sustaining the universe.

What does Darwin have to do with any of this, we're discussing theology not science.

And what is its continuous act of creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

I do know the difference but that's a question linked to the Augustinian idea of Original Sin, right?

I guess so ... I never really studied Pelagianism vs Traducianism extensively.

 

[Keachian]

And what is its continuous act of creation?

the same as it has always been, through what scientists call natural processes.

 

[AV1611VET]

God does not destory the world, He will get out of the way and allow man to destory himself.

Yes, He does destroy the world.

At the end of the Millennial Reign, God will abrogate the strong and weak nuclear forces, sending this entire universe into instant disintegration.

He will then reassemble everything into a New Heavens and a New Earth for all eternity.

Thessalonians 2:7 the KJV says, "Only he who now letteth will let." This is speaking of the Holy Spirit who hinders the forces of sin.

Correct, but the Holy Spirit is going to go up in the Rapture -- (some think otherwise) -- leaving Satan nearly unchecked in his activities.

 

[AV1611VET]

All I hear is the brainwashed talking to the brainwashed.

Get your head out of the lawn sprinkler then.

 

[Keachian]

I guess so ... I never really studied Pelagianism vs Traducianism extensively.

well separate from the doctrine of original sin, I sin because I am a sinner, I thought this would have been the obvious extension of the last answer I gave you of this question "I sin because I'm human"