Paedo - Credo: a confessional unity?

[Osage Bluestem]

And both views know not who is truly regenerate.

But at least one view claims to have personal faith when they are baptized. The biblical model....

 

[student ad x]

But at least one view claims to have personal faith when they are baptized. The biblical model....

There can be no duality in how covenant promises are pictured? If I draw a line, birth at the left and death at the right with the cross in the middle........... how do either end get to the middle?

 

[twin1954]

There can be no duality in how covenant promises are pictured? If I draw a line, birth at the left and death at the right with the cross in the middle........... how do either end get to the middle?

Faith.

 

[Anoetos]

I really believe that the best and most honest thing we can do is implement a personal moratorium on discussing it. It's more or less what I have done.

I like and esteem people like JM and Twin and Osage too much to tiff with them over it. Sure, we're all mature people, confident in our positions, but that doesn't keep the discussion from getting frustrating and occasionally emotional. I would avoid that if possible. As it is, I am far too prone to saying things I regret already.

Besides? Aren't we brethren? We have eachother's backs in GT regularly.

If it were possible to discuss it without it bleeding over into hurt feelings then sure, it has it's place, but I am not sure compromise is the route here.

 

[twin1954]

I really believe that the best and most honest thing we can do is implement a personal moratorium on discussing it. It's more or less what I have done.

I like and esteem people like JM and Twin and Osage too much to tiff with them over it. Sure, we're all mature people, confident in our positions, but that doesn't keep the discussion from getting frustrating and occasionally emotional. I would avoid that if possible. As it is, I am far too prone to saying things I regret already.

Besides? Aren't we brethren? We have eachother's backs in GT regularly.

If it were possible to discuss it without it bleeding over into hurt feelings then sure, it has it's place, but I am not sure compromise is the route here.

I have a thick skin and don't get emotionally offended easily. But I do agree with this post.

 

[student ad x]

Faith.

By grace you have been saved through faith...................

 

[twin1954]

By grace you have been saved through faith...................

 

[student ad x]

I have a thick skin and don't get emotionally offended easily. But I do agree with this post.

I'm not thinking of it in terms of thick skinned or thin, right or wrong. If I'm reading a book, I'm letting the words form a mental picture for me to understand. In a similar fashion, I'm just willing to discuss openly a mental picture of the covenant.

And I do realize that not everyone is willing

 

[Osage Bluestem]

I really believe that the best and most honest thing we can do is implement a personal moratorium on discussing it. It's more or less what I have done.

I like and esteem people like JM and Twin and Osage too much to tiff with them over it. Sure, we're all mature people, confident in our positions, but that doesn't keep the discussion from getting frustrating and occasionally emotional. I would avoid that if possible. As it is, I am far too prone to saying things I regret already.

Besides? Aren't we brethren? We have eachother's backs in GT regularly.

If it were possible to discuss it without it bleeding over into hurt feelings then sure, it has it's place, but I am not sure compromise is the route here.

Good idea. I support Anoetos' position.

 

[Nova Scotian Boy]

The Presbyterian Church I go too (PCA) has allot of Reformed Baptists within, and the Church is very welcoming. They are even able to be members, (although not allowed to hold office.) they are allowed to believe what they do and exist within the church as long as they do not try to promote credo-baptism. It seems to work very well for Church with all parties happy. The Elders say that they do not want to make getting into the church harder then getting into Heaven.

I myself was a Baptist until about a year ago when i started looking at the Biblical evidence.

 

[student ad x]

From where you were to where you are now, is infant baptism and believer's baptism mutually exclusive in the covenant of grace? Or 2 different entrances into a promise?

 

[student ad x]

From where you were to where you are now, is infant baptism and believer's baptism mutually exclusive in the covenant of grace? Or 2 different entrances into a promise?

I'm sorry, entrances is not right........... expressions, 2 expressions of the promise.

 

[JM]

I myself was a Baptist until about a year ago when i started looking at the Biblical evidence.

...and by biblical evidence you mean the logical consequence of Reformed covenantal thinking imposed on scripture?

 

[student ad x]

Yep, logical inferences. Would this be the first time for a logical inference of truth in the Word of God?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

And both views know not who is truly regenerate.

 

[JM]

stu, I was referring to the logical conclusions that a Reformed paedo baptist covenantal framework forces from scripture. Not a logical inference based on scripture. John Owen's covenant theology is worth a look considering his place in church history. John Owen's work is reprinted along with a work on covenants by Nehemiah Coxe here.

I've read the work by Owen but have lost the file. If anyone has the work by Owen and Coxe in epub or pdf please post it.

Thank you.

jm
PS: A.W. Pink's work on the Divine Covenants is simply outstanding.

 

[JM]

Just to add...A.W. Pink's work follows Owen's exposition of Hebrews very closely, especially on chapters 7 and 8. A free epub edition can be downloaded: An Exposition of Hebrews by A. W. Pink-Contents

 

[JM]

Originally Posted by student ad x

And both views know not who is truly regenerate.
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One believes Israel is after the flesh and willingly creates covenant breakers, which is contrary to the nature of the new covenant, because it is unbreakable.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Just to add...A.W. Pink's work follows Owen's exposition of Hebrews very closely, especially on chapters 7 and 8. A free epub edition can be downloaded: An Exposition of Hebrews by A. W. Pink-Contents

Saweeeeet, practically an A.W. Pink e-book library...for free! I've appreciated PBS Ministries for a long long time. I should check and see if they haven't put Gill's works into e-book format..is their Owen site still up?

 

[JM]

Enjoy A.W. AW.