How did Peter live after the manner of Gentiles?

[Frogster]

I don't see Galatians 2 being about Acts 15. The conclusions of Acts 15 are never mentioned in Galatians because the letter was written before the Acts 15 meeting.

titus was not circumcised in 2:3, and they added nothing to me in 2:6, nothing to his message, so gal 2 does indeed record acts 15.

 

[r035198x]

titus was not circumcised in 2:3,

That's the reason why the Acts 15 meeting was called up. Because some were not being circumcised.

added nothing to me in 2:6, nothing to his message, so gal 2 does indeed record acts 15.

Nah, see

Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.

and

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

In Acts 15, Paul was already with Barnabas and they had already been sent and completed the first journey.

Not to mention the different agendas for going to Jerusalem that Paul mentions from the verses I posted earlier. You'd have to throw away these facts as some kind of mistake in the text to conclude that Gal 2 is talking about Acts 15. To what gain?

 

[Frogster]

That's the reason why the Acts 15 meeting was called up. Because some were not being circumcised.


Nah, see

Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.

and

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

In Acts 15, Paul was already with Barnabas and they had already been sent and completed the first journey.

Not to mention the different agendas for going to Jerusalem that Paul mentions from the verses I posted earlier. You'd have to throw away these facts as some kind of mistake in the text to conclude that Gal 2 is talking about Acts 15. To what gain?

welp..u said there waws nothing in 2, about the meeting, yet we see he said, they added nothing 2;6, and titus was not snipped 2;3...

 

[r035198x]

welp..u said there waws nothing in 2, about the meeting, yet we see he said, they added nothing 2;6, and titus was not snipped 2;3...

I've just explained the Titus was not snipped bit! He's not the only one that was not snipped before Acts 15 either. People not being snipped is the reason the Acts 15 was called up.

2:6 is no proof either. In fact it also confirms that this was before Acts 15 because they didn't add anything to him before the meeting but they did add to him after Acts 15. Both the lessened law and someone else to go with together with a letter.

You'd have to fault the text to believe that Gal 2 is talking about Acts 15.

When were Paul and Barnabas given the right hands of fellowship that they should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision?
What reason does Paul give for going to Jerusalem in Gal 2?
What reason is given in Acts 15 for Paul going to Jerusalem?

 

[Frogster]

I've just explained the Titus was not snipped bit! He's not the only one that was not snipped before Acts 15 either. People not being snipped is the reason the Acts 15 was called up.

2:6 is no proof either. In fact it also confirms that this was before Acts 15 because they didn't add anything to him before the meeting but they did add to him after Acts 15. Both the lessened law and someone else to go with together with a letter.

You'd have to fault the text to believe that Gal 2 is talking about Acts 15.

When were Paul and Barnabas given the right hands of fellowship that they should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision?
What reason does Paul give for going to Jerusalem in Gal 2?
What reason is given in Acts 15 for Paul going to Jerusalem?

Give me something outta Acts 11-12 to prove your point, 15 fits Gal 2, 11-12 does not, there is NOTHING THERE...

You also avoided the simple fact, that if your saying Gal 2, is acts 11-12, they u r saying Paul was saved in 27 ad!

Gal 2 mentions apostles, does Acts 11-12? No! just elders in 11:30.

Besides, stop acting like everyone thinks Gal was written early, there are plenty of scholars that date it as late as 57, like Charles B Williams, and the
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary has written it at 57-58.

Here click this, they even have it written at 54, the biblos site.


Bible Timeline

 

[Frogster]

I've just explained the Titus was not snipped bit! He's not the only one that was not snipped before Acts 15 either. People not being snipped is the reason the Acts 15 was called up.

2:6 is no proof either. In fact it also confirms that this was before Acts 15 because they didn't add anything to him before the meeting but they did add to him after Acts 15. Both the lessened law and someone else to go with together with a letter.

You'd have to fault the text to believe that Gal 2 is talking about Acts 15.

When were Paul and Barnabas given the right hands of fellowship that they should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision?
What reason does Paul give for going to Jerusalem in Gal 2?
What reason is given in Acts 15 for Paul going to Jerusalem?

Acts 15 does give the reason, men came from jude..read verse 1.

What reason in Gal 2? Oh my, so that the truth of the gosepl might reamin with them, 2:5, as he went and wardded off the law party, that were at the meeting, in verse 15:5!

see bro...there is so much more in 15, than 11-12, which just gives one thing, they brought money up there..that is all that we have, but 15 fits...

i gave u 2:6, it is more thqan you give me outta acts 11-12..


6 And the leaders of the church had nothing to add to what I was preaching. (By the way, their reputation as great leaders made no difference to me, for God has no favorites.)

 

[Frogster]

Fourteen years later..again,


1 Then fourteen years later I went back to Jerusalem again, this time with Barnabas; and Titus came along, too.

The again would be from here..where else?


1:18 Then three years later I went to Jerusalem to get to know Peter, and I stayed with him for fifteen days.


Herod died in 44, so if Paul went there to Jerusalem in Acts 11-12, as u say he did, then 17 years after conversion,that would date and mean Paul was saved in 27 ad, way to early..can't be he meant Acts 11-12, in Gal 2:1.

 

[r035198x]

Give me something outta Acts 11-12 to prove your point, 15 fits Gal 2, 11-12 does not, there is NOTHING THERE...

You should extend that to 11 - 14 because the refutation here is that Gal 2 is before Acts 15. I gave you Acts 13:2 already which you simply ignored.

You also avoided the simple fact, that if your saying Gal 2, is acts 11-12, they u r saying Paul was saved in 27 ad!

I already gave ad 33 for when Paul was saved.

Gal 2 mentions apostles, does Acts 11-12? No! just elders in 11:30.

Act_11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act_14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.

Then you get

Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.
which is clearly what Gal 2:10 is talking about. Where in Acts 15 do you get that?

Besides, stop acting like everyone thinks Gal was written early, there are plenty of scholars that date it as late as 57, like Charles B Williams, and the
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary has written it at 57-58.
Here click this, they even have it written at 54, the biblos site.
Bible Timeline

You really think it's helpful to play a links game?

Acts 15 does give the reason, men came from jude..read verse 1.
What reason in Gal 2? Oh my, so that the truth of the gosepl might reamin with them, 2:5, as he went and wardded off the law party, that were at the meeting, in verse 15:5!

Acts 15
they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

But we have

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles

6 And the leaders of the church had nothing to add to what I was preaching. (By the way, their reputation as great leaders made no difference to me, for God has no favorites.)

The leaders added nothing to what Paul was preaching before Acts 15. They did add laws for Gentiles at Acts 15 so again this works against Gal 2 referring to Acts 15.

I keep addressing all your points, you keep ignoring all my points.

 

[Frogster]

You should extend that to 11 - 14 because the refutation here is that Gal 2 is before Acts 15. I gave you Acts 13:2 already which you simply ignored.

I already gave ad 33 for when Paul was saved.

Act_11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act_14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.

Then you get

Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.
which is clearly what Gal 2:10 is talking about. Where in Acts 15 do you get that?

You really think it's helpful to play a links game?


Acts 15
they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

But we have

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles


The leaders added nothing to what Paul was preaching before Acts 15. They did add laws for Gentiles at Acts 15 so again this works against Gal 2 referring to Acts 15.

I keep addressing all your points, you keep ignoring all my points.

just do me on tiny favor...

if you admit, and are correct, that paul was saved approx 32-33, whatever, than how do u put gal 2;1, with Acts 11-12, instead of 15?

he would have to be saved in 27, if 2;1, were Acts 11-12. How am i worng ?

 

[Frogster]

You should extend that to 11 - 14 because the refutation here is that Gal 2 is before Acts 15. I gave you Acts 13:2 already which you simply ignored.

I already gave ad 33 for when Paul was saved.

Act_11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act_14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.

Then you get

Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.
which is clearly what Gal 2:10 is talking about. Where in Acts 15 do you get that?

You really think it's helpful to play a links game?


Acts 15
they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

But we have

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles


The leaders added nothing to what Paul was preaching before Acts 15. They did add laws for Gentiles at Acts 15 so again this works against Gal 2 referring to Acts 15.

I keep addressing all your points, you keep ignoring all my points.

so what, "they determided", and it was a revelation in 2;1, this proves nothing...

and when r ya gonna gimmie something outta acts 11-12? All i see is a money visit, unless u got more...?

 

[r035198x]

just do me on tiny favor...

if you admit, and are correct, that paul was saved approx 32-33, whatever, than how do u put gal 2;1, with Acts 11-12, instead of 15?

he would have to be saved in 27, if 2;1, were Acts 11-12. How am i worng ?

As I said, the intent was that Gal 2 is referring to events before Acts 15.
You need to include Acts 13.

so what, "they determided", and it was a revelation in 2;1, this proves nothing...

and when r ya gonna gimmie something outta acts 11-12? All i see is a money visit, unless u got more...?

What I gave was
1.) Agreement with that the meeting being discussed decided that they should remember the poor. Acts 15 doesn't have that. Acts 11 does.
2.) There was a commission for Barnabas and Paul Gal 2:9 which is clearly Acts 13:2
3.) The reasons and activities stated for the Jerusalem visit. Acts 15 has
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
But Gal 2 has and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation,
4.) Reason given for not snipping Titus made no reference to the decision at Acts 15

 

[Frogster]

As I said, the intent was that Gal 2 is referring to events before Acts 15.
You need to include Acts 13.


What I gave was
1.) Agreement with that the meeting being discussed decided that they should remember the poor. Acts 15 doesn't have that. Acts 11 does.
2.) There was a commission for Barnabas and Paul Gal 2:9 which is clearly Acts 13:2
3.) The reasons and activities stated for the Jerusalem visit. Acts 15 has
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
But Gal 2 has and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation,
4.) Reason given for not snipping Titus made no reference to the decision at Acts 15

the private meeting verse is here..no church, just the leaders.

15: 6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.

welp..until you can refute the math, if you say gal 2:1 is acts 11-12, the u r saying paul was saved in 27 ad.


could you post from 11 -12, to prove a fact here? Thanks.
i proved the math..