Why do we look so much like apes?

[ViaCrucis]

Not sure where to put this but I'll try posting it here. This is something I've been wondering about forever. If God created the animals and us seperately and there's no evolution, why do we look so much like apes?

Because we are apes. Evolution happens.

We just happen to be sapient apes created in the image and likeness of God.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Keachian]

Will all those who think Dolly Parton looks like the Gorrilla above, please raise your hands!!

I'd say there are enough similarities there that when compared with the rest of God's creatures a stronger link to them could be made than any other apart from chimpanzees.

 

[mmksparbud]

Progmonk---you either need to change your lense prescription or you just plain need glasses---I'm afraid to ask what your wife and children look like!!! Ya'll can claim the apes as your ancestors if you want---I'll take Adam Eve. But I'll agree with you on one thing--we do look more like them than any other creature--which still doesn't mean we came from them--We do not look at all like a giraff--well, except for a 3rd cousin, once removed. And I have a brother that reminds me a lot of that gorilla--but I'll still take Gods word and let Adam and Eve be at the top of my geneology tree.

 

[Incariol]

Progmonk---you either need to change your lense prescription or you just plain need glasses---I'm afraid to ask what your wife and children look like!!! Ya'll can claim the apes as your ancestors if you want---I'll take Adam Eve. But I'll agree with you on one thing--we do look more like them than any other creature--which still doesn't mean we came from them--We do not look at all like a giraff--well, except for a 3rd cousin, once removed. And I have a brother that reminds me a lot of that gorilla--but I'll still take Gods word and let Adam and Eve be at the top of my geneology tree.

You do understand that we humans are apes, right? The validity of science isn't affected by you simply finding it icky. Sorry.

 

[Keachian]

Progmonk---you either need to change your lense prescription or you just plain need glasses---I'm afraid to ask what your wife and children look like!!! Ya'll can claim the apes as your ancestors if you want---I'll take Adam Eve. But I'll agree with you on one thing--we do look more like them than any other creature--which still doesn't mean we came from them--We do not look at all like a giraff--well, except for a 3rd cousin, once removed. And I have a brother that reminds me a lot of that gorilla--but I'll still take Gods word and let Adam and Eve be at the top of my geneology tree.

Maybe I do need my lens prescription adjusted. I have a wife and children? Egads whatever will mother think, me hiding this fact from her.

yeah, my family is human as far back as yours is. but if we look further back who knows where we get to? Does it matter? God still created all. I would like to see this genealogy tree.

 

[mmksparbud]

You do understand that we humans are apes, right? The validity of science isn't affected by you simply finding it icky. Sorry.

Icky?? More than icky!! I am the daughter of God almighty, sister to Jesus Christ--according to the bible--and my body is the temple of God. OK--so the temple is pretty shabby looking and bursting at the seams and everything has pretty much gone south, east and west--it's a bit more igloo than magnificent temple and the roof is not as thick and full as it used to be--but He dwells in Me. He didn't say He dwells in the body of animals and they are His temple. He did say he knows when the sparrow falls. He loves them--He created them--But Adam was the only one that He breathed directly into and "man became a living soul"--God formed the animals out of the ground--same ground I suppose as Adam--but the bible says He spoke them into existence. It doesn't say anything about it taking millions of years for Adam to be formed and breathed into--God's a dang good sculpture--works fast-Evening and morning were the 6th day. He spoke a world into existance in 5 days--and told them to be fruitful and multiply. Then came His crowning achievement--HIs work of art--Man.( He got better when woman came along,He'd had practice by then, we were made much prettier!)--Sorry--I reject apes as my ancestors, they were made first--but He formed Adam seperately, breathed into his nostrils and he became a living soul. Same with Eve, but from a rib from Adam--so we do share some DNA there. I'm no ape---Yes, all creation was condemned at the fall--and all creation will be remade when He returns.

 

[Incariol]

Icky?? More than icky!!

You are the one who seems to think being human is a bad thing, not I...

I am the daughter of God almighty, sister to Jesus Christ--according to the bible--and my body is the temple of God. OK--so the temple is pretty shabby looking and bursting at the seams and everything has pretty much gone south, east and west--it's a bit more igloo than magnificent temple and the roof is not as thick and full as it used to be--but He dwells in Me.

Yes, yes, that's nice.

He didn't say He dwells in the body of animals and they are His temple.

Yes, he did. He BECAME an animal, for heaven's sake. When he says your body is his temple, he is saying an animal's body is his temple. This is a simple syllogism.

He did say he knows when the sparrow falls. He loves them--He created them--But Adam was the only one that He breathed directly into and "man became a living soul"--God formed the animals out of the ground--same ground I suppose as Adam--but the bible says He spoke them into existence. It doesn't say anything about it taking millions of years for Adam to be formed and breathed into--God's a dang good sculpture--works fast-Evening and morning were the 6th day. He spoke a world into existance in 5 days--and told them to be fruitful and multiply. Then came His crowning achievement--HIs work of art--Man.( He got better when woman came along,He'd had practice by then, we were made much prettier!)--Sorry--I reject apes as my ancestors, they were made first--but He formed Adam seperately, breathed into his nostrils and he became a living soul. Same with Eve, but from a rib from Adam--so we do share some DNA there. I'm no ape---Yes, all creation was condemned at the fall--and all creation will be remade when He returns.

Yes, you are an ape. I'm sorry you don't like being lumped with other life forms, but that is the current taxonomy. Ape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Welcome to Superfamily Hominoidea with the rest of us apes.

 

[mmksparbud]

I could care less what the "latest" thinking is--I go by my Bible--period.Foolish to you---we'll eventually find out who's foolish.

 

[Incariol]

I could care less what the "latest" thinking is--I go by my Bible--period.Foolish to you---we'll eventually find out who's foolish.

I must admit, I've never seen someone categorically reject advances in knowledge as inherently bad. Do you at least use modern medicine?

 

[mmksparbud]

I must admit, I've never seen someone categorically reject advances in knowledge as inherently bad. Do you at least use modern medicine?

Silly boy---I used to be a dialysis tech for 20 years--I was a resp. Therapist for 7. I also ran 2 restaurants and and cooked in others. I'm on disability now, 20 years of pushing a dialysis machine around took a tole!! I dialyzed in hospitals, in the ICU's and even in the Neonatal--I'd rather do a dieing adult than a sick child, much less newborn, any day! Been up close and personal to a whole lot of pain and suffering and a whole lot of God's amazing work in peoples lives.Seen enough of modern medicine to want to strangle more than a few doctors!!

 

[3rdHeaven]

Not sure where to put this but I'll try posting it here. This is something I've been wondering about forever. If God created the animals and us seperately and there's no evolution, why do we look so much like apes?

Because we evolved from the apes. It was part of God's plan. Evolution need not be opposed to Genesis or God. At some point obviously we evolved to Adam and Eve. Before that, apes. Handsome species actually

 

[Assyrian]

Icky?? More than icky!! I am the daughter of God almighty, sister to Jesus Christ--according to the bible--and my body is the temple of God. OK--so the temple is pretty shabby looking and bursting at the seams and everything has pretty much gone south, east and west--it's a bit more igloo than magnificent temple and the roof is not as thick and full as it used to be--but He dwells in Me. He didn't say He dwells in the body of animals and they are His temple. He did say he knows when the sparrow falls. He loves them--He created them--But Adam was the only one that He breathed directly into and "man became a living soul"--God formed the animals out of the ground--same ground I suppose as Adam--but the bible says He spoke them into existence.

Do you realise the Hebrew for living soul nephesh chai in Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, is the same Hebrew phrase used to describe the animals in Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 2 uses the same word yatsar formed to describe God creating man and other animals, it is actually the word for a potter so it seem to be describing God taking clay and making the animals from clay the way he made Adam. Then again God as a potter making us from clay is a common biblical metaphor, But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand Isaiah 64:8.

It doesn't say anything about it taking millions of years for Adam to be formed and breathed into--God's a dang good sculpture--works fast-Evening and morning were the 6th day. He spoke a world into existance in 5 days

If the six days in Genesis 1 are literal there isn't time for life to evolve, and that is one way to try to argue against evolution, but your argument here is presuming evolution is wrong to argue against it. But if you want to argue from the nature of God, while he could create instantly, the God of all eternity didn't need to hurry, and the experience of those who knew him in the bible is that he often seems to take an awfully long time, How long oh Lord?

--and told them to be fruitful and multiply. Then came His crowning achievement--HIs work of art--Man.( He got better when woman came along,He'd had practice by then, we were made much prettier!)--Sorry--I reject apes as my ancestors, they were made first--but He formed Adam seperately, breathed into his nostrils and he became a living soul. Same with Eve, but from a rib from Adam--so we do share some DNA there. I'm no ape---Yes, all creation was condemned at the fall--and all creation will be remade when He returns.

 

[Incariol]

Silly boy---I used to be a dialysis tech for 20 years--I was a resp. Therapist for 7. I also ran 2 restaurants and and cooked in others. I'm on disability now, 20 years of pushing a dialysis machine around took a tole!! I dialyzed in hospitals, in the ICU's and even in the Neonatal--I'd rather do a dieing adult than a sick child, much less newborn, any day! Been up close and personal to a whole lot of pain and suffering and a whole lot of God's amazing work in peoples lives.Seen enough of modern medicine to want to strangle more than a few doctors!!

And other dialysis techs will continue I see dying adults and children so long as there are people opposing science. We can only pray our government eventually sees the light and casts aside pseudoscience like creationism and bans on embryonic stem cell research, and soon

 

[Smidlee]

Do you realise the Hebrew for living soul nephesh chai in Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, is the same Hebrew phrase used to describe the animals in Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

It's very common in language to use the same word for two different terms. In Japanese they use the same word for knuckles and claws so it's up to the translator to figure out which one is to be used. In English we use one word for "love" while Greek had many different words.The scripture continues to make a different between man's "soul" vs "creature" even though it the same word in Hebrew. The same I "love" ice cream doesn't have the same weight as I "love" my wife.

 

[Assyrian]

It's very common in language to use the same word for two different terms. In Japanese they use the same word for knuckles and claws so it's up to the translator to figure out which one is to be used. In English we use one word for "love" while Greek had many different words.The scripture continues to make a different between man's "soul" vs "creature" even though it the same word in Hebrew. The same I "love" ice cream doesn't have the same weight as I "love" my wife.

I think the problem is translators have baulked at the idea of animals having souls so they keep translating the word differently, yet in Genesis we see the same word being used in the very same way. The bible does distinguish between man and animals but being a nephesh chai a living soul, isn't one of them. It think part of the problem is our understanding of the soul as an incorporeal essence whereas the term being translated that way means being alive, a living breathing creature, which is why ESV translates both verse simply as living creature.

 

[Smidlee]

I think the problem is translators have baulked at the idea of animals having souls so they keep translating the word differently, yet in Genesis we see the same word being used in the very same way. The bible does distinguish between man and animals but being a nephesh chai a living soul, isn't one of them. It think part of the problem is our understanding of the soul as an incorporeal essence whereas the term being translated that way means being alive, a living breathing creature, which is why ESV translates both verse simply as living creature.

I have to disagree and agree with the translators , the idea God breathe into man the breath of life seems to suggest "nephesh" had a stronger meaning than just living creature.

 

[Assyrian]

I have to disagree and agree with the translators , the idea God breathe into man the breath of life seems to suggest "nephesh" had a stronger meaning than just living creature.

Sorry we share the breath of life with other animals too Gen 7:22 Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died.

 

[Jase]

We do?



Since when?

Which of these are human and which are ape?

 

[Jase]

I could care less what the "latest" thinking is--I go by my Bible--period.Foolish to you---we'll eventually find out who's foolish.

So I take it you believe the sun revolves around the earth and the earth is flat with a solid dome above it?

Or are you very selective in your "I go by my Bible" claim?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

Which of these are human and which are ape?

No problem: give me the names identifying each skull and the bio background of each and I will tell you which are apes and which are human. All I need is the necessary information and this can be done.

Observe: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Now observe this:

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image...

Is anything plainer? But the theistic evolutionists ignore the obvious import of this.