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According to the early Church historian Eusebius, himself a Gentile Bishop of Caesarea Maritima in the Holy Land, from 314 to 338 AD, he provides a list of 13 successive Bishops of Jerusalem, from the time of the death of Simeon in 107 A.D. It is interesting to note that he remarks that. Quote: "they were all [Judaeo / Judaic] Christians." In other words, they were a bunch of Judaizers.

The Council of Laodicea around A.D. 364 decreed 59 Canon laws.
Canon XXIX: “Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.”


Judaize
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Gal 2;14.
But when I saw that they do not walk straightforwardly, according to the truth of the glad tidings, I said to Peter before all, If *thou*, being a Jew, livest as the nations and not as the Jews, how dost thou compel the nations to Judaize? Or: How will you compel the nations to Judaize?


#1. Constantine the Great was the Pagan high priest until the day he died. He faked his baptism the first time to please his fellow pagans. He did not get baptized until he was on his death bed. He also proclaimed himself head of the Christian Church.
#2. According to scripture a Jew is a convert to Judaism. Before people were called Christians they were called converts to Judaism.
#3. The Judaeo (Judaizing) Christians did not take part in the persecution of the Jews. However, the Jews, and the Pagans, and the Gnostic's, and the Protestants killed almost every [Judaeo / Judaizing] Christian until almost none were left alive.
Enoch 89:5. I also cried out, and groaned in my sleep against the shepherd which overlooked the flock. 6. And I looked, while the sheep were eaten up by the dogs, by the eagles, and by the kites. They neither left them their body, nor their skin, nor their muscles, until their bones alone remained; and until their bones fell upon the ground. And the sheep became very few.

Now days most every protestant Church say that they are the true Judaeo Christians.

An exercise in walnut harvesting: When the tree is shaken all the nuts fall out.


The term Judeo-Christian is theologically, philosophically, and historically evident and universally accepted. However, a lot of historians, politicians, and congregations disagree with it. The term is synonymous with Judaizing. The New Testament Covenant is in fact the replacement of the Old Covenant and priesthood, with Christ as the head of the priesthood. Regardless if a person chooses to accept it, it still remains a fact of life.

Judaizers were those who kept the commandments of God and the testimony of Yahshua. They were despised by others because they also rejected the authority of the Pope, Sunday Sabbath, Trinitarianism, Hell, and the joining of any Pagan beliefs to God.
 
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Interesting post.

Here's a quote from Mark Kinser which is interesting(from Kesha Journal)."
"Finding our Way Through Nicaea: The Deity of Yeshua, Bilateral ecclesiology, and redemptive encounter with the Living God"

"They are not making the supersessionist claim that the Christian Church lacks any organic connection to or dependence upon Judaism and the Jewish people; in fact, it is theologians loyal to nicene orthodoxy who have taken the lead over the last forty years in combating supersessionism.

When Christians honor the Council of nicaea, they are doing one thing and one thing only: they are paying homage to Yeshua, and glorifying him as the divine son who is “the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of God’s very being” (Hebrews 1:3)."

It seems like a lot has happened in the "last forty years". Isn't it time to stop the rhetoric that has been adopted by some in MJ circles.

Another article quote" If we embrace bilateral ecclesiology, then we must seek unity with the Christian Church even as we main- tain our own distinctive identity"

It seems like a lot has happened in the "last forty years". Isn't it time to stop the rhetoric that has been adopted by some in MJ circles?:confused:
 
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Interesting post.

Here's a quote from Mark Kinser which is interesting(from Kesha Journal)."
"Finding our Way Through Nicaea: The Deity of Yeshua, Bilateral ecclesiology, and redemptive encounter with the Living God"

"They are not making the supersessionist claim that the Christian Church lacks any organic connection to or dependence upon Judaism and the Jewish people; in fact, it is theologians loyal to nicene orthodoxy who have taken the lead over the last forty years in combating supersessionism.

When Christians honor the Council of nicaea, they are doing one thing and one thing only: they are paying homage to Yeshua, and glorifying him as the divine son who is “the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of God’s very being” (Hebrews 1:3)."

It seems like a lot has happened in the "last forty years". Isn't it time to stop the rhetoric that has been adopted by some in MJ circles.

Another article quote" If we embrace bilateral ecclesiology, then we must seek unity with the Christian Church even as we main- tain our own distinctive identity"

It seems like a lot has happened in the "last forty years". Isn't it time to stop the rhetoric that has been adopted by some in MJ circles?:confused:

The real bottem line is that people are following the beast of Revelation.
 
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Revelation 13

The Beast out of the Sea

1 The dragon stood on the shore of the [sea/ocean/waters]. And I saw a beast [nation] coming out of the [sea/ocean/waters]. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast [nation] I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast [nation] his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast [nation] seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People [worshiped/paid tribute] the dragon because he had given authority to the beast [nation], and they also [worshiped/paid tribute] the beast [nation] and asked, “Who is like the beast [nation]? Who can wage war against it?”
There are two Dragons, the Dragon of the [sea/ocean/waters,] and the Dragon of the [earth/land.]
 
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Judaizers were more along the lines of "letter of the law" rather than living faith... That is why Peter and Paul pointed out to the Judaizing {pharisee} believers that God already answered the question with the baptism of the Holy Spirit... and circumcision is to be revealed from the heart and not necessarily by circumcision of the flesh.
 
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Judaizers were more along the lines of "letter of the law" rather than living faith... That is why Peter and Paul pointed out to the Judaizing {pharisee} believers that God already answered the question with the baptism of the Holy Spirit... and circumcision is to be revealed from the heart and not necessarily by circumcision of the flesh.

In the days of Constantine the Great, Judaizers were those who kept the commandments of God, and the testimony of Yahshua. They were despised by others because they also rejected the authority of the Pope, Sunday Sabbath, Trinitarianism, Hell, and the joining of any Pagan beliefs to God. The issue of circumcision was resolved before 70 AD.
 
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In the days of Constantine the Great, Judaizers were those who kept the commandments of God, and the testimony of Yahshua. They were despised by others because they also rejected the authority of the Pope, Sunday Sabbath, Trinitarianism, Hell, and the joining of any Pagan beliefs to God. The issue of circumcision was resolved before 70 AD.
By Constantine... which is 300 years later.. you are correct a lot had changed in the terms.. and judaizers did come to mean everyone who continued in the faith passed down from the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and Yeshua.
 
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Canon XXIX: “Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.”
As if any man could set someone apart from Messiah! And for keeping his Father's day HOLY, and set apart. You can banish someone from the organization of man (Church) but not from G-d, and I think in saying this that it raises oneself above G-d.

Funny how this word's origin is pagan related.

The original meaning of the Greek word, as used in non-Biblical Greek literature, was an offering to a god. It was also used in Hebrew works like the Septuagint to reflect the Holy offerings meant for the priests (for G-d) and meant, 'set apart', like in the Holy things.

Then it was changed to mean not 'set apart' for holiness, but set apart from holiness. Eventually the word came to be seen as meaning "banished" and to be considered beyond the judgment and help of the community.

Good thing that G-d doesn't see us that way as being beyond help. Thank G-d I am to be eternally judged by G-d and not man.

Here's another translation of this:

“Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.”
Christians must not be like G-ds chosen people and do as they do, sanctifying the seventh day and keeping it holy. Instead Christians must work to show no regard for the Creator and honor the day of the Sun, and if they can, not work on that day. But if any Christians are found to be keeping the Sabbath holy, they will be banished from the kingdom of Christ.
 
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Judaizers were more along the lines of "letter of the law" rather than living faith... That is why Peter and Paul pointed out to the Judaizing {pharisee} believers that God already answered the question with the baptism of the Holy Spirit... and circumcision is to be revealed from the heart and not necessarily by circumcision of the flesh.

why has no one wondered why another Jew would use such a word as Judaizing or Judaizer?

That just makes no sense to me. :doh:
 
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As if any man could set someone apart from Messiah! And for keeping his Father's day HOLY, and set apart. You can banish someone from the organization of man (Church) but not from G-d, and I think in saying this that it raises oneself above G-d.

Funny how this word's origin is pagan related.

The original meaning of the Greek word, as used in non-Biblical Greek literature, was an offering to a god. It was also used in Hebrew works like the Septuagint to reflect the Holy offerings meant for the priests (for G-d) and meant, 'set apart', like in the Holy things.

Then it was changed to mean not 'set apart' for holiness, but set apart from holiness. Eventually the word came to be seen as meaning "banished" and to be considered beyond the judgment and help of the community.

Good thing that G-d doesn't see us that way as being beyond help. Thank G-d I am to be eternally judged by G-d and not man.

Here's another translation of this:

Christians must not be like G-ds chosen people and do as they do, sanctifying the seventh day and keeping it holy. Instead Christians must work to show no regard for the Creator and honor the day of the Sun, and if they can, not work on that day. But if any Christians are found to be keeping the Sabbath holy, they will be banished from the kingdom of Christ.
LOL I would offer my $0.02 on this subject, but I'd just get myself banned.
 
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Okay, I got a question on Gal. 2:14, for the life of me every time I see the verse the answer just escapes me. It's probably something I already know, but just don't connect it to that verse. Here it is: What was Peter doing that would have been "judaizing"? The passage states that Peter was living as the gentiles so what was he doing that was compelling the gentiles to live as Jews?
 
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Okay, I got a question on Gal. 2:14, for the life of me every time I see the verse the answer just escapes me. It's probably something I already know, but just don't connect it to that verse. Here it is: What was Peter doing that would have been "judaizing"? The passage states that Peter was living as the gentiles so what was he doing that was compelling the gentiles to live as Jews?

Judaize
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Gal 2;14.
But when I saw that they do not walk straightforwardly, according to the truth of the glad tidings, I said to Peter before all, If *thou*, being a Jew, livest as the nations and not as the Jews, how dost thou compel the nations to Judaize? Or: How will you compel the nations to Judaize living in a Non-Jewish way?
 
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Okay, I got a question on Gal. 2:14, for the life of me every time I see the verse the answer just escapes me. It's probably something I already know, but just don't connect it to that verse. Here it is: What was Peter doing that would have been "judaizing"? The passage states that Peter was living as the gentiles so what was he doing that was compelling the gentiles to live as Jews?
How about eating biblically kosher, just not rabbinically kosher? and with gentiles.
 
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The passage clearly states that Peter was living as the gentiles lived - so in what way could he have been compelling the gentiles to live as Jews? According to Paul, Peter wasn't living as a Jew any loner, he was living as the gentiles. Again, according to Paul, which was Peter doing? living as a gentile or as a Jew? He could only be doing one or the other. And if he truly was living as a gentile, then what could he possibly be doing that would be compelling gentiles to live as Jews?
 
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why has no one wondered why another Jew would use such a word as Judaizing or Judaizer?

That just makes no sense to me. :doh:

Okay, I got a question on Gal. 2:14, for the life of me every time I see the verse the answer just escapes me. It's probably something I already know, but just don't connect it to that verse. Here it is: What was Peter doing that would have been "judaizing"? The passage states that Peter was living as the gentiles so what was he doing that was compelling the gentiles to live as Jews?

Judaize
Darby translation.
Gal 2;14.
But when I saw that they do not walk straightforwardly, according to the truth of the glad tidings, I said to Peter before all, If *thou*, being a Jew, livest as the nations and not as the Jews, how dost thou compel the nations to Judaize? Or: How will you compel the nations to Judaize living in a Non-Jewish way?

How about eating biblically kosher, just not rabbinically kosher? and with gentiles.

The passage clearly states that Peter was living as the gentiles lived - so in what way could he have been compelling the gentiles to live as Jews? According to Paul, Peter wasn't living as a Jew any loner, he was living as the gentiles. Again, according to Paul, which was Peter doing? living as a gentile or as a Jew? He could only be doing one or the other. And if he truly was living as a gentile, then what could he possibly be doing that would be compelling gentiles to live as Jews?

They were eating non-kosher food.
 
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