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Is old testament acceptable reading for Christians?

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Is it ok for a christian to be looking at pre-biblical scriptures, like the old testament and related writings?

Is it acceptable to view other world ancient scriptures of non-biblical origin --- I mean from an academic - histographic purpose?

Should not such study be only done in the tutelage of a balanced and mature chaplain/mentor??? (lest we scumb to an un-christian idea in the very passage we are reading)
 

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Dear Proctor.The old testament is a History of the Israelites and their Prophets. God was establishing His Kingdom. The Israelites were surrounded by Heathen-tribes and their cruel gods. Very gradually the Love of God is emerging, also love for their neighbour. It is certainly not unacceptable reading, but for a new Christian I would advise the four Gospels first. I say this with love, Proctor. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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The New Testament relies heavily on Old Testament writings, events, metaphors, the works. The New Testament often assumes familiarity with the Old Testament. The New Testament often "sees" itself in continuity with and fulfilling the Old Testament. For example, Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for sin in a similar fashion to the way the lambs were sacrificed for sins under the priestly system that went back to Moses in the days when the Ten Commandments were given. So John the Baptist looks at Jesus and says, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

I'm not sure what you mean by "pre-biblical" writings since parts of the Old Testament are among the most ancient writings known to be in existence, but there are middle eastern writings, for example, that were apparently contemporaneous to parts of the Old Testament which one is certainly free to read for oneself, though some of these are less readily available, expensive, and not necessarily at all challenging to the Christian religion, e.g. the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Code of Hammurabi, the Amarna Letters, various accounts of various Egyptian kings, business letters from Sumer, or later for example the Apocrypha, a collection of Jewish writings chronologically falling between the two testaments, of which perhaps 1 Maccabees is the most important, recording the Maccabean revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes IV and the beginning of the Hanukkah festivities.

But as a newbie, best major on the majors: the whole Bible, both Old and New Testaments. Granted, Jesus is the apex and culmination of God's revelation to man--the top of the mountain, so to speak. That is the Christian belief and mine as well. So by all means familiarize yourself with the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) and apostolic writings (e.g., the epistles like Romans and 1 Corinthians).

One can of course also stray doctrinally reading the New Testament or both testaments. The Holy Spirit must also be present to prevent that. And certainly mature chaplains can be used of the Spirit to correct early doctrinal waywardness. This is in part because the church generally is a repository of the Jesus-tradition from the Scriptures and originally from the eye-witness disciples and from Jesus Himself.

Churches have been wrestling with the Scriptures and doctrinal issues for many hundreds of years (ever heard of the Council of Nicea (Nicaea) and the Chalcedon Definition?--Google them), and a trained chaplain would hopefully have some awareness of that history and lean in part on the conclusions of that tradition.

But as you can tell from schisms and denominational differences (e.g., Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant), those who call themselves Christian have had disagreements, some of them major doctrinal ones. So it depends on which chaplain you rely on as to how your doctrine might be influenced.

I would suggest using your own reading of the Scriptures (the Bible) as a major guide and chaplains or ministers or mature lay Christians as secondary ones. I would not recommend going it alone doctrinally, but in the last two millenia, probably some group or other has already argued for whatever new interpretation you might possibly come up with.

I would also recommend always clinging onto the most fundamental, basic, or certain doctrines such as the identity of Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross. And I'd recommend working at your thought and study of the Scriptures and of the doctrines of the church over time. I've been working at it as an adult for over thirty years to date.

Does that help?
 
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Is it ok for a christian to be looking at pre-biblical scriptures, like the old testament and related writings?

Is it acceptable to view other world ancient scriptures of non-biblical origin --- I mean from an academic - histographic purpose?

Should not such study be only done in the tutelage of a balanced and mature chaplain/mentor??? (lest we scumb to an un-christian idea in the very passage we are reading)

So you do not believe the Old Testament is apart of the bible?
 
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Is it ok for a christian to be looking at pre-biblical scriptures, like the old testament and related writings?


Your joking right? How can the OT be pre-biblical? Basically your saying that the Bible is pre-biblical, that is nonsense.
 
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Paul calls the old testament and its teachings our schoolmaster until Christ.

This is inaccurate. Paul calls the demands of the Mosaic Covenant--the law--our schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24--or guardian or "[one] put in charge" etc. depending on translation) in that God's moral commands (do not kill, do not covet, and so on) clearly point out our failure to keep those moral commandments (we all sin) and thus our need for justification by faith in Jesus and empowerment by the Spirit enabling us not to sin (although we all still sin, 1 John 1:8-10).

It is not that God's moral demands changed when Jesus came. It is just that the disciple of Jesus is now enabled to obey, to "walk by the Spirit" as Paul tells the Christians of Galatia.

There is more to it than that, such as that the priestly sacrifices of the Mosaic Covenant have been fulfilled in Jesus' sacrifice of Himself, but you will have to read the New Testament book of Hebrews for yourself in due course. And "the Old Testament and its teachings" is much more than the demands of the Mosaic Covenant.

A SA chaplain recommended starting with the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John), and I think that is a good idea.
 
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Soldier of Soul - You don't know how old the OP is nor how long they've been a believer, ETC. At the very least, you know that they are new to the forums and a new Christian.

Proctor, welcome to the forums and we encourage you to grow - along with us.
 
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Your joking right? How can the OT be pre-biblical? Basically your saying that the Bible is pre-biblical, that is nonsense.

Sorry- I meant that the Old Testament is pre-New Testament.
I was using the terms "New Testament" synonymously with the "Bible" or "Injeel" (arabic).
I was associating the Old Testament synonymously with Judaic "Torah" and Talmudic writings.
 
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The New Testament relies heavily on Old Testament writings, events, metaphors, the works. The New Testament often assumes familiarity with the Old Testament. The New Testament often "sees" itself in continuity with and fulfilling the Old Testament. For example, Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for sin in a similar fashion to the way the lambs were sacrificed for sins under the priestly system that went back to Moses in the days when the Ten Commandments were given. So John the Baptist looks at Jesus and says, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).

I'm not sure what you mean by "pre-biblical" writings since parts of the Old Testament are among the most ancient writings known to be in existence, but there are middle eastern writings, for example, that were apparently contemporaneous to parts of the Old Testament which one is certainly free to read for oneself, though some of these are less readily available, expensive, and not necessarily at all challenging to the Christian religion, e.g. the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Code of Hammurabi, the Amarna Letters, various accounts of various Egyptian kings, business letters from Sumer, or later for example the Apocrypha, a collection of Jewish writings chronologically falling between the two testaments, of which perhaps 1 Maccabees is the most important, recording the Maccabean revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes IV and the beginning of the Hanukkah festivities.

But as a newbie, best major on the majors: the whole Bible, both Old and New Testaments. Granted, Jesus is the apex and culmination of God's revelation to man--the top of the mountain, so to speak. That is the Christian belief and mine as well. So by all means familiarize yourself with the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) and apostolic writings (e.g., the epistles like Romans and 1 Corinthians).

One can of course also stray doctrinally reading the New Testament or both testaments. The Holy Spirit must also be present to prevent that. And certainly mature chaplains can be used of the Spirit to correct early doctrinal waywardness. This is in part because the church generally is a repository of the Jesus-tradition from the Scriptures and originally from the eye-witness disciples and from Jesus Himself.

Churches have been wrestling with the Scriptures and doctrinal issues for many hundreds of years (ever heard of the Council of Nicea (Nicaea) and the Chalcedon Definition?--Google them), and a trained chaplain would hopefully have some awareness of that history and lean in part on the conclusions of that tradition.

But as you can tell from schisms and denominational differences (e.g., Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant), those who call themselves Christian have had disagreements, some of them major doctrinal ones. So it depends on which chaplain you rely on as to how your doctrine might be influenced.

I would suggest using your own reading of the Scriptures (the Bible) as a major guide and chaplains or ministers or mature lay Christians as secondary ones. I would not recommend going it alone doctrinally, but in the last two millenia, probably some group or other has already argued for whatever new interpretation you might possibly come up with.

I would also recommend always clinging onto the most fundamental, basic, or certain doctrines such as the identity of Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross. And I'd recommend working at your thought and study of the Scriptures and of the doctrines of the church over time. I've been working at it as an adult for over thirty years to date.

Does that help?

Thank you for your insight.
 
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So you do not believe the Old Testament is apart of the bible?

Because always use the books of Luke John Mark and Mathew as their main text when preaching, I have always assumed the word "Bible" refers to them ONLY.

The Old Testament is at the very least an indispensible historical account to the New Testament.

But I am a new christian. I am only keeping a grip on my grasp of Trinity and Jesus.

I will pick up the fine details and knowledge as I learn from this forum.
 
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So you do not believe the Old Testament is apart of the bible?
Because christian preachers always use the books of Luke John Mark and Mathew as their main text when preaching, I have always assumed the word "Bible" refers to them ONLY.

The Old Testament is at the very least an indispensible historical account to the New Testament.

But I am a new christian. I am only keeping a grip on my grasp of Trinity and Jesus.

I will pick up the fine details and knowledge as I learn from this forum.
 
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Because always use the books of Luke John Mark and Mathew as their main text when preaching, I have always assumed the word "Bible" refers to them ONLY.

The Old Testament is at the very least an indispensible historical account to the New Testament.

But I am a new christian. I am only keeping a grip on my grasp of Trinity and Jesus.

I will pick up the fine details and knowledge as I learn from this forum.

Let me share this with you. In New Testament times, the scriptures would have been the Old Testament. When the New Testament makes reference to the bible or scriptures or word, it is speaking specifically of the Old Testament. When Jesus was tempted by the devil and he said "As it is written" He was quoting from the Old Testament. In 2 Timothy 3:16 when it says that All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness, etc, it was directly speaking of the Old Testament.

In our time, we have both Old and New Testament so we apply it to both. Back then it was just the Old Testament. The question is, is the bible that Jesus used good enough for us today?
 
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I will pick up the fine details and knowledge as I learn from this forum.

My experience with this forum is that participants come from a wide spectrum of Christian traditions, and if that were not enough, from a wider spectrum of non-Christian perspectives.

There are sub-forums here which your chaplain may consider safer for you when you are seeking advice. Or over time, you may begin to trust individuals on the forum you get to know.

And at the risk of giving you too much in too short a time, you may want to be aware of another big online resource, namely christianbook.com. But again, major on the majors, the Bible and the four Gospels in particular.

May the Lord lead you in paths of righteousness for His name's sake (see the famed Psalm 23 of David).
 
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Because christian preachers always use the books of Luke John Mark and Mathew as their main text when preaching, I have always assumed the word "Bible" refers to them ONLY.

The Old Testament is at the very least an indispensible historical account to the New Testament.

But I am a new christian. I am only keeping a grip on my grasp of Trinity and Jesus.

I will pick up the fine details and knowledge as I learn from this forum.

The God that is revealed in the New Testament is the same God of the Old. There is no denying this fact. Jesus declared numerous times that the God of the Hebrews, of Abraham, Issac and Jacob was His Father. That He was One with this God and that He was in fact the Great I AM spoken of in times past. The Old Testament (hence "old" in the title) is a precursor to the New. You cannot have one without the other. The Old Testament scripture is an historical account of sinful people in relation to a holy God and what they must do in order to have fellowship with this God. You see, Jesus has come to fulfill the sacrificial system of times past. He is the eternal Lamb of God and has come to take away the sins of the world. The Hebraic system of blood sacrifice and atonement was put in place by God to reveal what was to come. The only sacrifice that could truly take away sin was nothing but the blood of the sinless Son of God, the Old is but a shadow of the New, but a shadow all the same. There is much to learn from reading the OT, God revealed Himself in amazing ways throughout history, to throw out His revelation on a whim is blasphemous and dangerous spiritually, seek the God of scripture friend, He is the Lamb but He is also a Lion, One and the Same, always.
 
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The Old Testament is part of the Bible, definitely read it. Of course, how it fits into the picture is important. Martin Luther summed it up well, in a manner that is consistent with what Jewish teachers teach: How Christians Should Regard Moses - Sermon by Martin Luther.

As far as reading extra-biblical ancient texts, it's not sinful to read them. Through reading them, I actually turn to God in worship because I appreciate him more. With gods like the Babylonians and Greeks had, who needs the devil?
 
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The Bible is God's communication to men. it's written for men to read. That's what writing is for: reading.

The entire Bible -- OT, NT -- is therefore intended for men to read.

Ignorant or malicious or even simply people corrupted by the world's thoughts may pull God's words from their intent, yes. And God can intentionally obscure meanings from some people and open them to others (regardless of their learning, see 1 Corinthians 1 & 2).

But that doesn't mean the Bible should be hidden. In fact Ezra spoke out the whole Bible to Judah when they returned from Babylon's exile. Yes, learned people informed the unlearned. But the Bible was made available to everyone in Judah.

Finally, there is a major danger that the entire western world experienced, when the Bible is prevented from informing the people. The danger is that people stop believing what the Bible says. They don't know it. Learned people are not always right. Westerners learned that in the course of time, learned people also departed the teachings of the Bible simply because they could: no one could call them to account, because they didn't have the Bible to check. So even when the Apostles taught, in churches like Berea their followers went back to Scripture to confirm that what the Apostles said, was true.
 
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