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Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Biblical Creation
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What if you only imagine the Sun goes up every day? It is not as if we have any absolute proof for anything.
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I agree with you and it doesn't make me any less a believer.
A MINORITY of Christians believe in the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation story. Scientists have pounced on this and run with it, creating this false straw man that religion is anti-science when the truth is that the majority of Christians believe in a evolutionary process and many of the great Scientists were believers.
Similarly, the media pounces on a minority of Muslims who are terrorists and run with it creating so much hysteria, the Western world is TERRIFIED of Muslims and anti-Muslim groups grab this piece of information and run with it, although the majority of Muslims are peace-loving.
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Hey, hey, hey, not all of us jump on Christians like that. Especially considering some of us are Christians. That would be rather difficult.
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I'm sorry, i'm just fed up with those Scientists who take this minority viewpoint and publicise it as Gospel. Setting up a false dichotomy between Science and Christianity.
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With all due respect, most scientists pay absolutely no attention to religionists, but rather are involved in their own work and related work by other scientists. They are actually confused when creationists show up, considering such folk as no longer existent like flat-earthers, geo-centrists, and "why are there still apes?" folk.I'm sorry, i'm just fed up with those Scientists who take this minority viewpoint and publicise it as Gospel. Setting up a false dichotomy between Science and Christianity.
Rather, it is the creationists who set up a false dichotomy between science and Christianity. OK, so maybe it was possibly originally atheists who set up that artificial dichotomy (eg, "God of the Gaps"), but the "creation science" and "intelligent design" people embraced that artificial and false dichotomy fervently and zealously. "God of the Gaps" is, after all, the quintessential argument that a scientific explanation for a phenomenon that had been previously attributed to the gods does in effect disprove the gods themselves. "God of the Gaps" is implicit in a lot of "creation science" claims and appears to be essential to "intelligent design" arguments (eg, "we don't know nor fully understand something, therefore God must had didit" -- refer to goddidit).
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What is Christianity or any religion?
A belief and a hope based on a need for our lives not to end when we die,
faith is required.
What is science?
Acquiring knowledge using observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena,
no faith is required.
Science and religion are at opposite ends of the scale, to join them someone must tell lies.
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Like Israel/Palestine I don't particularly care who started it, just stop it. Both sides.
If scientists didn't pay attention to or respond to these ID Christians like the rest of the majority of Christians are we would not be having this debate.
ID is pseudo-science.
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Yes, and no.
Obviously, the differences in the approaches that science and religion take are at opposite ends of the spectrum. And ages ago (ie, circa 1989, which in cyber-space qualifies as "ages ago") on CompuServe there was a library entry that examined this: the religious approach immediately arrived at an answer whereas the scientific approach was just trying to get started, so the religious goaded the scientific over their having arrived at an answer while science was still floundering. But over time, the scientific approach was finding new answers, answers truer to reality, than religion was doing. Eventually, science was doing far better than religion ever could because of the superiority of the scientific approach to the religious approach in this kind of case.
Science is restricted to a rather narrow set of questions, questions about how things work. Religion normally applies to questions about why things are as they are. Properly speaking, science and religion address different kinds of questions.
For questions of how the universe works, science is so far king. But for the really important questions, such as The Fundamenal Religious Question: how, then are we to live our lives?, we are left to turn to religion. At the very least, science is inadequate to answer that Fundamental Religious Question. Of course, that is not to assume that any particular religion is able to properly address that question.
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They are only at opposite ends of the scale if you believe the Bible is a scientific textbook which some ID and YEC Christians do, the minority of Christians - thousands out of billions of Christians. A new invention to Christendom.
I don't know any Christian personally who thinks that the Bible is a scientific textbook.
You are comparing apples to oranges.
Religion deals with the WHYS of our existence. It is philosophical and theological not scientific. My Church, the oldest and the largest has never taught that the Bible is a science book.
Science is an entirely separate strand on its own. It studies the HOWS of our existence.
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Because I believe in Christianity?...
Your question doesn't make much sense. Just because I believe it is evolutionarily advantageous for humans as a species to develop something in response to the terror of death (in terror management theory), I can't believe in it myself? Is that what you are saying?
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OK, fine. ID is pseudo-science. I do not think that you will find any opposition to that statement. ... except from IDists.
OK, fine. So let them stop trying to attack science education.
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Because I believe in Christianity?...
Your question doesn't make much sense. Just because I believe it is evolutionarily advantageous for humans as a species to develop something in response to the terror of death (in terror management theory), I can't believe in it myself? Is that what you are saying?
What most fail to realise is that the majority of Christians believe in an theistic evolutionary process to create mankind.
The oldest Church i.e. Catholic Church has never taught Genesis creation story literally and Catholics are free to believe the evolution theory as the method chosen by God to create man. The reason being the Jewish authors of Genesis never taught literally.
Believing in evolution does not determine whether we are Christian or not.
It is not a salvific issue i.e. does not determine heaven/hell for any Christian.
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I'm with you on that one. Science education in schools should not be messed with. I didn't realise their attack on science education was that effective.
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Because I believe in Christianity?...
Your question doesn't make much sense. Just because I believe it is evolutionarily advantageous for humans as a species to develop something in response to the terror of death (in terror management theory), I can't believe in it myself? Is that what you are saying?
No, I am saying that if you can see that belief in a god is simply a result of a fear of death, then why do you do it?
I mean, if you can see that something is a pyramid scheme, you don't enter into it. If you know the object will break as soon as you get it home, you don't buy it. If you know that a belief is due to a fear of death, nothing more, why believe in it?
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Giordano Bruno would be surprised to hear that. (And to quibble, your church is not the oldest, it is merely the most financially successful.
There's one in every crowd. I'll let you believe those rumours if you want.
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