Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
In my finite, limited, flawed state, how would i see "evidence" of what was perfect? Is that possible?

I am asking for the evidence that you did see in order to reach these conclusions. Or are you saying that you have no evidence of this?

I was not there. Were you?

 

[Belk]

I did. Recently I had gotten a seriously deep puncture wound by something rusty. I got the symptoms of Tetanus and got very ill. I don't have insurance right now, nor money for doctors, medicine, etc. I prayed, had others prayed for me, lifted it up to God, and my leg is healed now. It's not the first time i was healed from a life-threatening illness. I had bacterial pneumonia once, and i was mis-diagnosed by a doctor and given allergy medicine. i went down to 80 lbs and nearly died. God healed me. There have been other times as well.

Sweet! Think you and your friends could pray to heal my paralysis? I would be ever so grateful.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
I did. Recently I had gotten a seriously deep puncture wound by something rusty. I got the symptoms of Tetanus and got very ill. I don't have insurance right now, nor money for doctors, medicine, etc. I prayed, had others prayed for me, lifted it up to God, and my leg is healed now. It's not the first time i was healed from a life-threatening illness. I had bacterial pneumonia once, and i was mis-diagnosed by a doctor and given allergy medicine. i went down to 80 lbs and nearly died. God healed me. There have been other times as well.

Sweet! Think you and your friends could pray to heal my paralysis? I would be ever so grateful.

Are you serious? Of COURSE i'll pray and ask others to join in. What kind of paralysis is it?

 

[Huram Abi]

Please elaborate. Thank you kindly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(rhetoric)

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
Please elaborate. Thank you kindly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(rhetoric)

Would you kindly include what it was i was asking you to elaborate about? Thank you.

 

[Huram Abi]

Its a matter of definitions.

When see the almighty as Reality, the whole cosmic environment we are born into, then pathogens are ine of those Facts-of-life that rule us.
The son of such a god is the image of Reality in our mind which we call Truth.

It is Truth that leads us to the still waters of wisdom that allow for inventing antibiotics.

No?

Brinny, this statement by Cupid Dave is an example of tautological rhetoric. He says it is a matter of definitions, but then goes on to give unfalsifiable terms that give us no useful information.

To quote wiki:

"It is a way of formulating a description such that it masquerades as an explanation when the real reason for the phenomena cannot be independently derived."

Cupid made a fallicious statement and then I mentioned the name of the fallacy. That is all.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by cupid dave
Its a matter of definitions.

When see the almighty as Reality, the whole cosmic environment we are born into, then pathogens are ine of those Facts-of-life that rule us.
The son of such a god is the image of Reality in our mind which we call Truth.

It is Truth that leads us to the still waters of wisdom that allow for inventing antibiotics.

No?

Brinny, this statement by Cupid Dave is an example of tautological rhetoric. He says it is a matter of definitions, but then goes on to give unfalsifiable terms that give us no useful information.

To quote wiki:

"It is a way of formulating a description such that it masquerades as an explanation when the real reason for the phenomena cannot be independently derived."

Cupid made a fallicious statement and then I mentioned the name of the fallacy. That is all.

You are entitled to your opinion, however, surely you realize that "faith" is the epitome of a Christian's ties with God? For it is written that without faith it is impossible to please God.

 

[driewerf]

Well here's the stickler for me? Why are any apes even left if we evolved from apes? Was there a "pause" in the evolution process? A flaw? Were some apes just stubborn and ran from it, time-traveled from it? Please explain. Anyone. Thank you kindly.

If all the Afro Americans descenc from Africans,, why are there still Africans?
If all caucasian Americans descend from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?
If all Asian Americans descend from Asians, why are there still Asians?

Were some Africans/Europeans/ Asians just stubborn and ran from it, time-traveled from it? Please explain. Anyone. Thank you kindly.

 

[brinny]

If all the Afro Americans descenc from Africans,, why are there still Africans?
If all caucasian Americans descend from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?
If all Asian Americans descend from Asians, why are there still Asians?

Hmmm.....yet, all mentioned are human beings....not following you...

 

[Jazer]

You are entitled to your opinion, however, surely you realize that "faith" is the epitome of a Christian's ties with God? For it is written that without faith it is impossible to please God.

Actually faith comes from God. Faith is both a fruit and a gift of the Holy Spirit of God working in us. Human faith or positive thinking is effective. But God's faith can accomplish so much more.

 

[Jazer]

If all Asian Americans descend from Asians, why are there still Asians?

Some stayed in Asia and some came to America. It is believed they followed a herd of Animals over here before man learned how to domesticate animals. Actually the animals make the roads and the trails anyways. So even if we were not looking for dinner we would have to follow the roads they make. Some have a theory that they had small dug out fishing boats and they followed the shore line around.

About 40 years ago I had a trail bike and made a lot of trails. People still walk on them today when they go for a walk out in the woods. When I was a kid we used the trails the indians made when they were out hunting for their dinner. About 200 years ago you could get a job cutting down trees to widen the trails for wagons and stage coaches. The job paid about $25 a month and they gave you food to eat also.

When it comes to Asians the Native American are more like Polynesian. In fact they have a category for the last census for Pacific Islander. They are more a mixture of people from Africa, Native Australians, India, China, Spanish and so on. If you took a Eskimo from Alaska, a Native from Hawaii, A Pacific Islander and a Native from Mexico, most people would not be able to tell them apart. You can learn the difference and tell them apart in time. The Chinese & Japanese keep a lot more to themselves and do not inner marry nearly as much with people outside their traditions.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
You are entitled to your opinion, however, surely you realize that "faith" is the epitome of a Christian's ties with God? For it is written that without faith it is impossible to please God.

Actually faith comes from God. Faith is both a fruit and a gift of the Holy Spirit of God working in us. Human faith or positive thinking is effective. But God's faith can accomplish so much more.

Indubitably. I agree.

 

[Huram Abi]

You are entitled to your opinion, however, surely you realize that "faith" is the epitome of a Christian's ties with God? For it is written that without faith it is impossible to please God.

It's not an opinion. Defining one abstract term with another the way Cupid did is called "tautological rhetoric."

It doesn't explain what truth is or how we arrive at it. It doesn't convey whether we are talking about metaphysical objectivism, postmodernism, or just socially accepted truths. It doesn't tell us if we are talking about the nature of reality, itself, or simply what occurs in the mind. His claim doesn't even include any facts on which to build his premise.

I don't mean to offend and my comment certainly was not in respect to faith, but simply pointing out the problem of defining God as "reality" and then calling "truth" its son as an acceptible explanation for antibiotics.

My comment wasn't about faith.

 

[sk8Joyful]

2. Variation (microevolution) can only go so far, then it stops.
If you push a species to the limit by selective breeding, it becomes sterile and dies out.

1. Bacteria produce a new variation every twenty minutes to twenty-four hours and are found in every environment on earth, yet despite being at the limits of variation, no bacterium changes into something else.
2. Fruit flies grow from egg to adult in nine days, and are one of scientists favorite insects to study; yet studies of fruit flies all over the world show no change into something higher.

Yes, but they won't like you mentioning "bacteria & fruit flies",
as that's not what they are trying to Argue, as you well know.
They are going to bring up Apes, chimps, & related monkey-critters, and
because we share DNA with those animals too,
then
obviously us humans ARE apes.
Even as they can never prove, that 'stretch' of their imagination;
anymore than they can prove their theory of evolution.
That's why it will forever remain a "theory".

 

[sk8Joyful]

Every time our cells split, they need to make a new set of DNA.
The process itself is tricky, but the code is broken up into chunks and reformed in each cell.

This process is not perfect.

Do you have any questions?

Are you thinking that the 'process is not perfect', because God does not exist?, or

Are you thinking that the 'process is not perfect', because God did create us perfect, but
somewhere a couple of steps got screwed up?, or

Are you thinking that the 'process is not perfect', because you observe 'variations' but
are at a total loss to explain them,
for you do Not (yet) have the necessary Awareness... to understand just what happened?

Not trying to overwhelm you with too many deep questions, mind you.

This happens with cells as well; if a cell has a changed set of DNA,
it may not be able to survive, or it may even develop into cancer.

Very rarely, the mistake might be beneficial.

Cancer is not a funny joke for sure; however when millions of people have managed,
of their cancering themselves to heal... (as also did I ), then
it's really beneficial to find out how the heck we let it get that far, and
more important what we can do, once healed, to Never let that mistake happen again.

So you bet, in this case (as in billions of other 'mistakes')
there are any number of Valuable, & in fact life-saving Benfits to be gained, in the healing process. -
Not the least of which are:
1. Since we managed to make a mistake, in the 1st. place,
2. How about we learn to make different, & phenomenally-HEALTHY 'choice(s)'

Now, we don't need to get into the nitty-gritty.

I could not possibly disagree more.

When MY LIFE (or anybody else's LIFE, for that matter) is "on the line",
apparently, as I just pointed out above, the nitty-gritty is supremely important.

So let us just focus on one teeny-tiny bit of the whole puzzle:
mistakes made when replicating DNA. We can agree that they happen, no?
Again, let us not worry about the larger implications.

Agreed: people content to only manipulate (physical) DNA-blocks,
while playing in the (physical) sandbox, can just stay there. Nothing wrong with that.

And leave the "larger implications" to us, who have helped ourselves,
plus others, of various quagmires FREE ourselves, so we can once again play too

PS: since you were fond of asking, I'll return the favor: Do you have any questions?

 

[sk8Joyful]

Do you accept that these copy errors add information?
Not just 'For the sake of argument' but in practice.

I'd like to deal with this one point before moving onto the next one.

Every thing (that doesn't succeed in killing us outright), adds information in practice...

So long as we get to continue living, we can change many 'error's including therefore our DNA, as we in fact do. - You've heard of the science of EPYgenetics, no doubt.

None of that speaks to the "theory" of evolution tho.

 

[sk8Joyful]

oops, dbl posted

 

[sk8Joyful]

important adaptation that occurred

the bacteria evolved the ability to utilize citrate as a source of energy.
Wild type E. coli cannot transport citrate across the cell membrane to the cell interior

So, arguably, it's a new species.

You can argue, whatever you want, 'til the cows come home, but it won't make it so.

Just because a BACTERIA is "transporting citrate across the cell membrane to the cell interior",
does NOT mean, in a 1000 years that bacteria is now displayed in a zoo as an ape; let alone as a human.

But that's ok; some people will argue anything!

 

[sk8Joyful]

But that is what we are talking about here, just chance.

yup, with the "theory" of evolution, all you are left with is chance.
Boy! - you are not in control of ANYthing, with that.

Fortunately, GOD does exist, and He is in CONTROL , &
because of these 2 truths, we are allowed to purposefully LOVE LIFE, & this more abundantly... PRAISE God!

That's what is so wonderful (or perhaps terrible!) about the whole idea
evolution has no purpose, no goal. It is just a concept

question: Why keep 'ideas, & concepts' that are without purpose? Why bother existing? <- that doesn't even serve you, let alone well??

You have no goals, either? - oh my!, (even as I've only been here 60 yrs. as of next month), I conjure UP more goals, every day. - Wheew, girl! you need to start LIVING know what I mean

I hope you will read my post with an open mind before you mount a counterargument.
I am sure you will have a lively response! What better way to learn?

Exactly my thought!

 

[sk8Joyful]

There is no candy in Heaven.

There is Fruit in Heaven, that will be a lot better then what you call candy.

How would you even know? - unless you have had a real NDE
and bothered to recall that question there. - You might be really Surprised
what all is waiting for you in HEAVEN