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Not true. The real world is the real world. Pure math is pure math. Models link the two.
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Stephen Kendall
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While studying Physics, I saw equations every where sharing with me these amazing patterns of knowledge and permit-able control. Even God came as just another equation (mathematical expression that allows understanding and possible control. Then comes the quarks in science like junk DNA that is far from junk, dark matter that injects darkness into our equations and micro-nutrients (anti-oxidants, etc) that redefine the lowly plant foods as super-foods. So where did our equations go, but the same as the Doo Doo bird! Real knowledge is indeed knowing that you really don't know so much. Better enjoy and smell the roses.
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Everything we know is described by equations. There must be something in common between the map and reality in order for the map to be realistic. Add a little poetic licence, and voila!
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1. Is it?
2. Do you know something?
Yeah, I get it: reality/realistic.
Now, the question remains whether our maps are realistic and to which degree.
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I know of the Sun. Apperently, you can ask a physicist anything. You will probably find some equations there.
Thats right. If there is no analogy how can there be representation?Yeah, I get it: reality/realistic.
Yes, I have asked it to hurry along numerous times and it is still at the back of the field. But I imagine that if there are truths of physical science (which come in equation form) then there must be some basic correspondence or analogy.
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leftrightleftrightleft
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It sounded as though the OP was somewhat of a statement of fact rather than a metaphor.
Metaphorically, the world is equations.
Metaphorically, love is a rose.
Who cares?
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That's grasping after the wind
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What do you know about it? (I remember a conversation a while ago where you argued the earth might be flat.)
Depends on what you mean by "representation". I have heard statements like "you have been out to the movies with someone else = you don´t love me no more". There is certainly a personal representation involved in this equation - personally I don´t see any analogy here.
Yes. We have been there. I remember it as if it had been yesterday. I proposed "does it work?" instead of "is it true?" as the crucial question.
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Stephen Kendall
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that is what you get for not checking your spelling. Doo sounded more like dough than dodo or do do. Oh the marvelous dictionary helps us all.
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I have changed over to a theory of "epistemic volume" ( which is a bit like degrees of certainty I suppose). I might know the Earth is spheroid, but with less epistemic volume than when I know I am typing this message. Epistemic volume is a function of the the strength of justificatory process and the truth value of the belief, and is positive and large when there is a skillfully or strongly justified true belief.
Anyway I dont think I said the Earth was flat, only I rejected a correspondence theory of truth in favour of a pragmatic theory.
Represent to re-present. There must be an analogy between the map and the landscape otherwise one would not portray to us features of the other.
Yes pragmatism. In that case, the world is not made of equations, but at least they work!Yes. We have been there. I remember it as if it had been yesterday. I proposed "does it work?" instead of "is it true?" as the crucial question.
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I disagree they are equations which is science "work" (have predictive power and theoretical utility).
However I am talking science but generalising from that to metaphysics just like physicalists generalise that all is physical. But with science one can demonstrate the utility of equations and "working models" but in metaphysics what utility is there to be seen? Arter all metaphysics does not allow feedback where by we can judge a model's utility etc, where as in sciene one can apply theory and test the results in a lab or other observational methods. At least that seems true of metaphysics as a "transcendental discipine" which talks of the unseen. But today, my metaphysics of the immanent is equational. With a mixture of roses, eternity and love added to it.
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I think that one of the problems with equaitons is that they seem lifeless and void of heart. They might be representing a love affair or a hot tempered outburst, but all they are is marks on a note pad. This might leave the door open to nihilism, or the view that nothing really matters. Why should anything matter if it's all just equations? Then again there seems to be an abstract beauty in the idea that such things as love can be formalised into characters and marks. And also a hope that we might deepen our understanding of ourselves. I am not advocating nihilism btw, and think that it is adequately refuted by formula #32.
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