"Banks got Bailed Out We got Sold Out" reason for US Marches

[Archaeopteryx]

Actually, it was your actions that resulted in loss of your property.

Blaming the victim.

 

[kermit]

Actually, it was your actions that resulted in loss of your property.

Really? I was unable to get the amp down the steps without help. So even the decision to leave it was made by the other 3 guys for me as they refused to help. After that it was beyond my control.

The fact is that often decisions that affect our lives are made by others. Libertarians like to believe otherwise, but I think they know they are wrong. My drummer friend was one layed off from a job because the company was bought and his department was scrapped. Now that let to good things in his life, but that it was beyond his control and affected his life is undeniable.

 

[MachZer0]

The drummer took the amp. The Drummer committed theft. Its the drummer's fault. You are blaming the victim of theft because someone robbed them. That isn't libertarianism. Its victim blaming. Not replace the amp, but to make sure that the drummer is punished for theft, which is illegal. Unless you believe its not the government's/police's job to enforce the law?

Kermit took the risk, and he lost. That's why it's called risk

 

[MachZer0]

Really? I was unable to get the amp down the steps without help. So even the decision to leave it was made by the other 3 guys for me as they refused to help. After that it was beyond my control.

The fact is that often decisions that affect our lives are made by others. Libertarians like to believe otherwise, but I think they know they are wrong. My drummer friend was one layed off from a job because the company was bought and his department was scrapped. Now that let to good things in his life, but that it was beyond his control and affected his life is undeniable.

You chose to associate with a sorry bunch, another risk.

 

[Awesome_Frog]

You chose to associate with a sorry bunch, another risk.

So do you even acknowledge the concept of theft?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Kermit took the risk, and he lost. That's why it's called risk

That is seriously an obtuse response. It is nothing more than blaming the victim. 'Oh, so someone stole your property? Well, clearly it was your fault! After-all, you took the risk of owning property.'

 

[MachZer0]

That is seriously an obtuse response. It is nothing more than blaming the victim. 'Oh, so someone stole your property? Well, clearly it was your fault! After-all, you took the risk of owning property.'

Could Kermit have prevented the theft by avoiding the risk?

 

[kermit]

You chose to associate with a sorry bunch, another risk.

By this logic if I bought a Honda truck and years later there was a theft spree of Honda trucks and mine was stolen I would be to blame for taking the risk of buying that kind of car.

While it's true that had I chosen to buy a different car my probably wouldn't have been stolen, but the events that occurred were beyond my knowledge when I bought the car. Suppose I had managed to lug the thing down the steps by myself. That would mean that I would have left later and for all we both know someone could have run a red light and killed me. By you line of reasoning I would be to blame for that too.

Your line of reasoning is quite literally the exact same as those who blame rape victims because of they way they were dressed.

 

[MachZer0]

So do you even acknowledge the concept of theft?

Do you acknowledge the concept of risk?

 

[kermit]

Could Kermit have prevented the theft by avoiding the risk?

Suspend your foreknowlege and tell me at what point would you have done things different that would have not resulted in theft of your property.

1) Would you have assumed the risk of bodily harm by carrying the amp own multiple flights of steps by your self?
2) How would you have gotten in contact with someone whom you didn't know the number or address and were forced to rely on someone else?

 

[kermit]

Do you acknowledge the concept of risk?

Life is filled with constant risk. Every time you drive a car you put yourself at risk, but my guess is that if you've ever had you car hit by someone else you have no qualms about absolving yourself of the responsibily that you so easily assign to others.

 

[Umaro]

You operate under the false notion that everything that happens to a person is a direct result of their actions, which is an infantile concept that ignores the complexities of life, such as an economy which simply doesn't have enough jobs for the number of people in it, among other things. It's just a single example of blaming the victim, something conservativism is defined by more than anything else.

The part I find the saddest about the whole mortgage fiasco and blaming the victims is that I'm 100% sure that when these people went in to get a mortgage, the banks absolutly assured them that the payment plan would be able to be met, that they were not buying out of their means, that the lender is your friend cutting you a good deal because you seem like an honest guy, just sign here and we'll get you into your dream house. I don't believe for a second the borrower walked in and demanded a more expensive mortgage despite the protests of the lender.

After all, businesses work by putting out the best product, right? If the guy who works in lending tells me this is the best deal for me, why shouldn't I believe him? He's got my best interests in mind as his customer, right?

When you then have these same lenders turning around and saying "Get foreclosed, it's your fault. You shouldn't have believed me," something is seriously wrong.

 

[Awesome_Frog]

Do you acknowledge the concept of risk?

Okay venomfangx, I;ll take that as a no, and I'll also acknowledge that you also don't believe the police are there to enforce the law.


Simple as that. I'm done with this nonsense.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Okay venomfangx,

Is MachZer0 really the legendary, the one and only venomfangx of YouTube-fame?
Man, those videos were the most embarrassing piece of creationist nonsense ever to see the light of day! [/derail]

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Could Kermit have prevented the theft by avoiding the risk?

You go outside. It's a beautiful sunny day. Someone punches you in the face and robs you. It's your fault. You should have avoided the risk of going outside. Do you understand the concept of risk?

 

[MachZer0]

Life is filled with constant risk. Every time you drive a car you put yourself at risk, but my guess is that if you've ever had you car hit by someone else you have no qualms about absolving yourself of the responsibily that you so easily assign to others.

There's a legal process involved. What I do is follow the legal process and accept the consequences. That wasn't done in the mortgage crisis

 

[MachZer0]

The part I find the saddest about the whole mortgage fiasco and blaming the victims is that I'm 100% sure that when these people went in to get a mortgage, the banks absolutly assured them that the payment plan would be able to be met, that they were not buying out of their means, that the lender is your friend cutting you a good deal because you seem like an honest guy, just sign here and we'll get you into your dream house. I don't believe for a second the borrower walked in and demanded a more expensive mortgage despite the protests of the lender.

After all, businesses work by putting out the best product, right? If the guy who works in lending tells me this is the best deal for me, why shouldn't I believe him? He's got my best interests in mind as his customer, right?

When you then have these same lenders turning around and saying "Get foreclosed, it's your fault. You shouldn't have believed me," something is seriously wrong.

If you allow the bank employee to determine your ability to repay a loan, you probably shouldn't be asking for the loan in the first place

 

[Fantine]

That big banks got bailed out is not reason to protest big banks. Protest the big government that bailed them out. And that includes the Obama administration.

Of course, the reason why banks needed to be bailed out was how they conducted business when deregulated.

Republican plans to deregulate these (and other) businesses again will extend and exacerbate our current problems.

 

[MachZer0]

Do you acknowledge the concept of risk?

Okay venomfangx, I;ll take that as a no, and I'll also acknowledge that you also don't believe the police are there to enforce the law.

And I'll take that as a no!!

Simple as that. I'm done with this nonsense.

Adios

 

[MachZer0]

You go outside. It's a beautiful sunny day. Someone punches you in the face and robs you. It's your fault. You should have avoided the risk of going outside. Do you understand the concept of risk?

Yes, and that's why I carry insurance