Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

[Montalban]

Islam's 'god' is a created being

 

[xDenax]

Is there a way we can look up how many members of a certain religion are on CF?
I only know of 2 Jews on CF, ChavaK and yonah_mishael

Hey!

 

[Rationalt]

"Allah" is Arabic for the one God, as I have indeed been saying, .

Quite wrong.For Muslims Allah is synonymous for G*od is a different matter altogether.

The Arabic word for G*od is Ilah.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Quite wrong.For Muslims Allah is synonymous for G*od is a different matter altogether.

The Arabic word for G*od is Ilah.

Without the definite article that characterizes "him" as THE God, yes. However, all Abrahamic religions use "the God" = "Allah" in Arabic when they refer their specific monotheistic deity. Jews do it. Christians do it. And they've been doing so since before the days of Mohammed.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rationalt Quite wrong.For Muslims Allah is synonymous for G*od is a different matter altogether.

The Arabic word for G*od is Ilah.

Without the definite article that characterizes "him" as THE God, yes. However, all Abrahamic religions use "the God" = "Allah" in Arabic when they refer their specific monotheistic deity. Jews do it. Christians do it. And they've been doing so since before the days of Mohammed.

That is interesting
The definite article is joined to the hebrew word while in the greek, it is seperate from it.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

NKJV) Exodus 3:6 Moreover He said, "I [am] the God of your father -- the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
　
0430 'elohiym {el-o-heem'} plural of 0433; TWOT - 93c; n m p
AV - God 2346,

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Elohiym Used 680 times in 630 verses

the-Elohiym Used 365 times in 336 verses
　
NKJV) Matthew 22:32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'. God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

Textus Rec.) Matthew 22:32 egw eimi o qeoV abraam kai o qeoV isaak kai o qeoV iakwb ouk estin o qeoV qeoV nekrwn alla zwntwn

 

[Montalban]

Without the definite article that characterizes "him" as THE God, yes. However, all Abrahamic religions use "the God" = "Allah" in Arabic when they refer their specific monotheistic deity. Jews do it. Christians do it. And they've been doing so since before the days of Mohammed.

I explained this in my 'football' analogy. Different groups can use the same word, but it means somthing different

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey!

Ahhh..shalom xDenax

 

[Jesus3:16]

No, they are not. Muslims deny Jesus as God.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22

 

[Montalban]

No, they are not. Muslims deny Jesus as God.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22

And they themselves deny we worship God, but 'ascribe partners to him' - and they argue thus that they are truly a monotheistic religion

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No, they are not. Muslims deny Jesus as God.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22

Umm....so do the Jews and yer point?

 

[Rationalt]

Without the definite article that characterizes "him" as THE God, yes.

Elohim is gender nuetral?. The Arabs have a very specific word for G-Od/diety which is Ilah.

However, all Abrahamic religions use "the God" = "Allah" in Arabic when they refer their specific monotheistic deity. Jews do it. Christians do it. And they've been doing so since before the days of Mohammed.

If the Jews and christians call their diety as Allah then they appear to contradict a very explicit commandment in Exodus 3:15 which says "This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations."

Besides what the Arabic Jews and christians call their deity cannot be taken as authentic since they were supposed to be living under Subjugation(Quran 9:29) .

And they've been doing so since before the days of Mohammed.

Evidence ?.

It is only after Muhammad's successful subjugation(as per quran 9:29) of Arabic Jews and christians the word Allah appeared in Their scriptures.

 

[Jesus3:16]

Umm....so do the Jews and yer point?[/color]

haha true, but The Old Testament foreshadows The New Testament and the New Testament fulfills the Old.

I don't know how Muslims can say The Quran is a continuation of the Torah and the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

God's work of salvation through Jesus Christ was given to all of humanity and the New Testament never foreshadows a new gospel or plan. It was finished by Jesus.

Why would the same God, apporx. 600 hundred years later, introduce another gospel and a different way to be saved?
Yahweh offers Grace thru faith for salvation while Islam's Allah requires works.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." ~Galatians 1:8 (KJV)

The Quran is not from Yahweh, and I can never accept Allah to be Yahweh/Jehovah.

God Bless.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

haha true, but The Old Testament foreshadows The New Testament and the New Testament fulfills the Old.

I don't know how Muslims can say The Quran is a continuation of the Torah and the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

God's work of salvation through Jesus Christ was given to all of humanity and the New Testament never foreshadows a new gospel or plan. It was finished by Jesus.

Why would the same God, apporx. 600 hundred years later, introduce another gospel and a different way to be saved?
Yahweh offers Grace thru faith for salvation while Islam's Allah requires works.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." ~Galatians 1:8 (KJV)

The Quran is not from Yahweh, and I can never accept Allah to be Yahweh/Jehovah.

God Bless.

I never said I accepted the Quran, but then I don't accept the Jewish Talmud either

 

[dlamberth]

.... and I can never accept Allah to be Yahweh/Jehovah.

God Bless.

It wasn't until I moved past all of the outer beliefs and dogma and the stuff of Duality and actually began to allowed myself to "experience" the Divine, that's when I found that Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Shiva, Dharma, Ahura Mazda, ect, ect, were the same Divine Expression.

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[good brother]

It wasn't until I moved past all of the outer beliefs and dogma and the stuff of Duality and actually began to allowed myself to "experience" the Divine, that's when I found that Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Shiva, Dharma, Ahura Mazda, ect, ect, were the same Divine Expression.

No, they aren't the same. Read through this thread again but in short, Yahweh had a Son (Jesus) and Allah did not. These two therefore are not the same being. Yahweh's Son will eventually judge all of creation, Ahura Mazda does not judge, nor does he punish. These two therefore are not the same. We could go on and on.

In Christ, GB

 

[dlamberth]

No, they aren't the same. Read through this thread again but in short, Yahweh had a Son (Jesus) and Allah did not. These two therefore are not the same being. Yahweh's Son will eventually judge all of creation, Ahura Mazda does not judge, nor does he punish. These two therefore are not the same. We could go on and on.

In Christ, GB

I've been reading the thread. I'm looking at the "inner experience" of the Divine, not the "outer beliefs" which is what you listed. There IS a world of difference between those two perspectives. In the Divine experience itself, there is Unity, Wholeness and Oneness. In the outer beliefs there is nothing but duality, separation and "my God is better than your God" concepts.

Love...they ALL know and experience the Love of God, regardless of what name is placed on it.

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[FredVB]

"Allah" is Arabic for the one God, as I have indeed been saying, so it is fine for Christians speaking Arabic to acknowledge Yahweh God as "Allah". The "Allah" of Mohamed and the Muslims is a being that is not Yahweh God, teaching other things that are very contrary.

Quite wrong.For Muslims Allah is synonymous for G*od is a different matter altogether.
The Arabic word for G*od is Ilah.

What I said shouldn't have been called wrong. When I said "Allah" is Arabic for the one God, I did not say "for Muslims", but the term is Arabic, referring to the language, it really means "the God" meaning the One, so this is reason enough that Christians for whom Arabic is the language known would acknowledge Yahweh God as "Allah". As pointed out use of a definite article for use with God is very established, with the meaning that way to clearly signify the One, even in Bible manuscripts.

Elohim is gender nuetral?. The Arabs have a very specific word for G-Od/diety which is Ilah.

If the Jews and christians call their diety as Allah then they appear to contradict a very explicit commandment in Exodus 3:15 which says "This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations."

Besides what the Arabic Jews and christians call their deity cannot be taken as authentic since they were supposed to be living under Subjugation(Quran 9:29).

Christians, or observing Jews, calling the deity Allah does not contradict Exodus 3:15 which says "This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations", especially if Arabic is their language This is because "Allah" is a term with the meaning "the God", not a name, just as in English the term "God" is not a name. The revealed name from him of Exodus 3:15 was the name "Yahweh", forever, to all generations.* If such Christians or Jews believed what Muslims say of "Allah", then they are going contrary to the revelation from the Bible.

* http://www.christianforums.com/t7505849/#post55879079

 

[Rationalt]

What I said shouldn't have been called wrong. When I said "Allah" is Arabic for the one God, I did not say "for Muslims", but the term is Arabic, referring to the language, it really means "the God" meaning the One,

It really means "One g-d" ? .Where did you get this?.The Yemeni Faith (From which meccans derived their faith) Had No concept of One jealous G-od.


The rest of your argument Foucssing on One jealous G-od is faulty because before muhammad the Yemenis and the Arabs didn't entertain this concept.The Premohammedan idea of Allah has no similarities to Biblical G-od.

 

[FredVB]

What I said shouldn't have been called wrong. When I said "Allah" is Arabic for the one God, I did not say "for Muslims", but the term is Arabic, referring to the language, it really means "the God" meaning the One, so this is reason enough that Christians for whom Arabic is the language known would acknowledge Yahweh God as "Allah". As pointed out use of a definite article for use with God is very established, with the meaning that way to clearly signify the One, even in Bible manuscripts.

Christians, or observing Jews, calling the deity Allah does not contradict Exodus 3:15 which says "This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations", especially if Arabic is their language This is because "Allah" is a term with the meaning "the God", not a name, just as in English the term "God" is not a name. The revealed name from him of Exodus 3:15 was the name "Yahweh", forever, to all generations.* If such Christians or Jews believed what Muslims say of "Allah", then they are going contrary to the revelation from the Bible.

* http://www.christianforums.com/t7505849/#post55879079

It really means "One g-d" ? .Where did you get this?.The Yemeni Faith (From which meccans derived their faith) Had No concept of One jealous G-od.
The rest of your argument Foucssing on One jealous G-od is faulty because before muhammad the Yemenis and the Arabs didn't entertain this concept.The Premohammedan idea of Allah has no similarities to Biblical G-od.

Where did I get it? It is general information, virtually universal, that "Allah" is "the God", I have noted it mentioned countless times, you have noticed it is a definite article occurring with "Ilah" in Arabic, it is a normal usage as it has been in other languages, a definite article with the term "God" would be used to signify one God exclusively according to monotheism, as opposed to things falsely considered as gods. What any polytheists would have believed does not have bearing on this argument.

 

[Rationalt]

Where did I get it? It is general information, virtually universal, that "Allah" is "the God",

Universal? lol. Allah was not known outside of Yemen and it's immediate surroundings before 4th century.


The Yemenis had a religion worshipping Allah and other Dieties(They had plenty of temples) and Judaism existed as a separate religion in the same region with g-d of Abraham as their diety.

Allah didn't hate Other Deities .The G-d of Abraham hates other Deities-Elohim .

So, Allah is NOT Yahweh(The One who spoke to Abraham).