Evidence vs. Believe (A Tale of Two Bunnies)

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Bolded phrase used inappropriately; you have found nothing, by our own admission.

Your arrogance is disgusting behavior, even for a Christian. Don't presume to tell another adult what they meant to say. This is trolling.

 

[Astridhere]

FrenchyBearpaw says
You have demonstrated you understand zero, (such is the MO of cdesign proponentsists) regarding ToE, therefore it's impossible to have any intelligent discussion with you. Even creationists will warn you to not get your information from cdesign proponentsists sites!

Darls, this stuff is NOT from a creationist site. Hence it is you that has demonstrated you cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction.

What within my post are you suggesting is from a creationist site? Is it that you have never seen a depiction of turkana boys side view or is it you have no idea about thigh morphology and the rubbish used to demonstrate bipedalism? Here is the link to the thigh bone comparisons. BTW..Science Daily is NOT a creationist site......
Form follows family -- not function: Humans and chimpanzees have similar long bone shape

The evidence I presented is YOUR evidence, not mine...and it is desperate delusionary straw grabbing nonsense offered up by what must be blind researchers so smitten with gaining glory, headlines and research grants that they are ignorant of the obvious.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Yes there is a scientific method. However evolutionists have yet to find it.
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This is rather silly. Do you seriously think that all "evolutionists" do is sit around, look at bones, postulate things? The science that built evolution is the science that sequenced the human genome, directs rational drug development, and is used to understand the pathphysiology of disease, as well as learn about the biology of all other living things on this planet.

Frankly, you have no idea what the science you are insulting has done for the world. Would you really want a world without evolution...without modern biology...without genetics...without a molecular understand of human physiology and disease...?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

*snip*

...and it is desperate delusionary straw grabbing nonsense offered up by what must be blind researchers so smitten with gaining glory, headlines and research grants that they are ignorant of the obvious.

As I said, you have demonstrated you understand nothing regarding science and SM if this is your conclusion. :o

At least you recognize it's actually the scientists who collect data and publish, and not cdesign proponentsists.

 

[razeontherock]

And ... we've come full circle:

So, ...nothing.

Exactly what you see when you look at G-d speaking directly to you.

 

[razeontherock]

Don't presume to tell another adult what they meant to say. This is trolling.

This is exactly what you do, via your misuse of the word Faith. (Among your other false accusations) and your atheist icon does indicate that in whatever search for God you may have embarked upon, you have found nothing. Take all the offense you want, it is your position!

 

[Astridhere]

Mankind has had observation long before the scientific method. Assumption isn't required in the slightest.

Unfortunately you must be unaware of the basis for ALL your algorithms that are based on assumptions. That is why they change like the wind and are unstable. This is also why you have a huge garbage bin of once irrefuteable evidences for evolution tossed aside as delusionary nonsense eg humans having knucklewalking ancestry, LUCA that was killed with HGT, the revolving door of human ancestors dismissed and falsified, tiktaalic, lucy, ardi all dethroned etc etc etc..the list is long.......

In fact I do not think you are aware of just how much assumption is used in your so called 'science'.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

This is exactly what you do, via your misuse of the word Faith. (Among your other false accusations) and your atheist icon does indicate that in whatever search for God you may have embarked upon, you have found nothing. Take all the offense you want, it is your position!

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." -Author unknown.

Mr. Clemens put it much more succintly.

 

[Astridhere]

As I said, you have demonstrated you understand nothing regarding science and SM if this is your conclusion. :o

At least you recognize it's actually the scientists who collect data and publish, and not cdesign proponentsists.

Then you will have no problem explaining to all creationists what the heck Turkana Boy is doing with thigh bones totally unlike chimp, human or gorilla.

You will also have no trouble explaining why Turkana Boys skull is not presented the same way as other skulls and what on earth you see that is human about an ape head.

It is easy enough to prattle on with opinion and snide remarks. I'd like to see one of you evolutionists explain what on earth makes you think Turkana Boys thigh bones are any representation of 'human', or chimp for that matter..... This is called backing your opinion with evidence as opposed to useless woffle.

Remember your opinion is about as valuable as mine. How about some of this so called 'science' of yours be used to demonstrate the relationship. Let's see if evolutionists can pull a rabbit out of a hat for this one.

My Prediction..Responses will be no more than baseless opinions...Again! If so....they merit no serious reply from any creationist.

Evolutionists are the ones represented by the bunnies in the initial comic!

 

[razeontherock]

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

And what this means to you is believing what you know to be false. What further evidence do we need that you have no idea what you're talking about on this particular subject?

 

[Astridhere]

Is that a technical term?



No no no, your terminology is all wrong. It's trying to fit a duck into Winnie the Pooh! Pooh abuse, I say ...

So I take the bother to offer scientific research produced by naturalists and evolutionists,ie wave theory, and you refute me with woffle. Good one!..and just who is now resembling the bunnies in the comic.

I have produced evidence that the earth is in the centre of the universe from non creationists. I futher produced evidence from a creationists site re red shifts that support this research. There is no need for your mysterious dark energy or dark matter.

Personally, regardless of how it turns out, I think one element of all of this is just rich. In the past, any ideas, such as Copernicus’, that suggested the Earth was not the center of the universe were (we are told) turned away as unacceptable and an affront to the truth — to be refused on principle, regardless of the facts or observations. Now, have we come to a point where the reverse bias is in play? Is a theory to be rejected solely on principle because it suggests the possibility that the Earth might be the center of the universe — again, regardless of the facts or observations?

Mathematicians&#8217; theory means Earth may be the center of the universe « Thoughts En Route

You can produce your evidences for big bang that do not add up at the singluarity, require multiple dimensions, and are based on dark matter and dark energy, something you have no idea about that is meant to comprise 96% of all matter in the universe.

Your reply is typical of naturalists woffling on with no more than smart remarks and nothing else. This is a demonstration of evolutionists saying the picture is a duck because it must be so, regardless of the inconsistenices and evidence to the contrary.

So all this talk about evolutionary science is not science at all. As I have demonstrated naturalists are unable to defend themselves with any more than opinion, ignorance and non plausible scenarios as demonstrated by their responses to wave theory and Turkana Boy.

I am afraid evolutionists are the ones represented by the bunnies..

 

[Loudmouth]

So I take the bother to offer scientific research produced by naturalists and evolutionists,ie wave theory, and you refute me with woffle.

What is it with wave theory lately? Perhaps you could describe the evidence that supports this theory?

I have produced evidence that the earth is in the centre of the universe from non creationists.

The Earth isn't even the center of our own solar system or our own galaxy, much less the Universe.

Also, equal expansion in all directions is true for every point in the universe. It is not unique to the Earth.

I futher produced evidence from a creationists site re red shifts that support this research.

You will get the same results from every planet in every galaxy.

There is no need for your mysterious dark energy or dark matter.

Dark matter has been observed:

August 21, 2006 - Dark Matter Observed: Most Direct Measurement of Dark Matter Allows Study of its Nature - Press Release

Dark energy is just the placeholder name for the force that is driving the expansion of the universe.

Mathematicians’ theory means Earth may be the center of the universe « Thoughts En Route

It's not even peer reviewed. How can you claim that this is a scientific theory?

So all this talk about evolutionary science is not science at all.

Baloney. Here is the science from peer reviewed papers:

evolution - Google Scholar

 

[Loudmouth]

And what this means to you is believing what you know to be false. What further evidence do we need that you have no idea what you're talking about on this particular subject?

If a muslim has faith that the Koran was dictated by God through Mohammed does that make it true?

 

[razeontherock]

So I take the bother to offer scientific research produced by naturalists and evolutionists,ie wave theory, and you refute me with woffle.

Sister I didn't refute you at all; my humor did not make it to your side of the screen. I was parodying a typical atheist response ... thought all would be able to see that, sorry.

 

[razeontherock]

If a muslim has faith that the Koran was dictated by God through Mohammed does that make it true?

Red herring. No one is claiming anything other than what the word Faith is meant convey (In this little de-rail you commented on, anyway)

 

[Loudmouth]

Red herring. No one is claiming anything other than what the word Faith is meant convey (In this little de-rail you commented on, anyway)

Can someone have faith and still be wrong? That is the topic of the thread, is it not?

I have argued that faith and truth are two different things. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Reine]

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." -Author unkonwn.

Was that supposed to show objectivity?

 

[razeontherock]

Can someone have faith and still be wrong? That is the topic of the thread, is it not?

I have argued that faith and truth are two different things. Do you agree or disagree?

What you're interjecting into is a de-rail to begin with; Mr Frenchy insists on being insulting. It cannot be misconstrued as a lack of info on his part, and it certainly can't be mistaken as goodwill. If a bunch of atheists want to get together and have a bash-fest re: what Faith might or might not be, I might suggest CF is not the place for that.

If there is any sincere questioning of what Faith is within Christianity, that might prove to be an interesting discussion, for it's own thread.

 

[Delphiki]

Unfortunately you must be unaware of the basis for ALL your algorithms that are based on assumptions. That is why they change like the wind and are unstable.

So, you're basically saying that bad hypotheses don't make it to theory. That's kind of the point of the scientific method.

The reason they don't last is because people are making assumptions. Congratulations, you're beginning to understand why science succeeds at understanding the material world.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

This thread has digressed to this:

Dexter the atheist - YouTube