Evidence vs. Believe (A Tale of Two Bunnies)

[Delphiki]

Science can neither speak to nor see the reality of God.

That's not what the scientific method is for.

Blind faith and baseless assumptions are used for learning about God. (and, oh! You forgot to dash out the 'O' in 'God' this time! You're not going to hell are you?)

Science learns about the universe and how it works and allows us to make practical applications accordingly. Medicine, technology, transportation, agriculture, communication, and so on.

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh come one, atheists can't be bothered with what it actually says - they just want to point and laugh like second-graders ...

It says that it is a duck. It is wrong.

 

[cupid dave]

None of the content in any of your posts seem to be working. You need to try using BBCode, not HTML to post images and links.

Hmmm....

BB code?

Give me a hint.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

You're going to need your OWN Faith. This was revealed 3500 years ago.

Why are you trying to re-invent the wheel?

I do not believe the concept of faith is virtuous, thus I do not adhere to it. If your beliefs have manifestations in reality, show me those manifestations.

Faith doesn't work in any facet of life. Why should I let it dictate my beliefs?

Faith is a concept that grew to huge importance the moment religious people realized they had no evidence for their beliefs. In the Biblical stories, Thomas was allowed to touch the wounds on Jesus' wrists. That's all I'm asking for -- a chance to be Thomas. Why is that so much to ask?

 

[cupid dave]

I do not believe the concept of faith is virtuous, thus I do not adhere to it. If your beliefs have manifestations in reality, show me those manifestations.

Faith doesn't work in any facet of life. Why should I let it dictate my beliefs?

Faith is a concept that grew to huge importance the moment religious people realized they had no evidence for their beliefs. In the Biblical stories, Thomas was allowed to touch the wounds on Jesus' wrists. That's all I'm asking for -- a chance to be Thomas. Why is that so much to ask?

The point Jesus made was that faith in the Truth is necessary and will finally be rewarded.

People who try to live a lie sooner or later face the facts of life.

We saw this applied by Martin Luther King.
He faced down Americans who insisted the lie of Separate but equal made rational sense and would work for this country.

 

[Loudmouth]

The point Jesus made was that faith in the Truth is necessary and will finally be rewarded.

"Faith" and "Truth" are opposites. The sooner you realize this the sooner you will understand this thread. The bunny who has "faith" that the puzzle is a picture of a duck is wrong. The bunny who has no faith and instead looks at the evidence finds the truth.

People who try to live a lie sooner or later face the facts of life.

A perfect description of young earth creationists.

 

[Delphiki]

Hmmm....

BB code?

Give me a hint.

[ img ] http://pictureurl.com [ /img ]

The easy way, if you don't know BB Code, is to just use the buttons at the top of the message window:

Try hosting with something like tinypic.com or imgur.com. Imgur lets you drag and drop and gives you the BB Code.

 

[cupid dave]

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[Split Rock]

That's not what the scientific method is for.

Blind faith and baseless assumptions are used for learning about God. (and, oh! You forgot to dash out the 'O' in 'God' this time! You're not going to hell are you?)

Science learns about the universe and how it works and allows us to make practical applications accordingly. Medicine, technology, transportation, agriculture, communication, and so on.

I like the bunny-puzzle analogy, but I was disappointed that neither one of the bunnies was Amber Heard. http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/Amber_Heard_Playboy_NBC.jpg

 

[Reine]

"Faith" and "Truth" are opposites. The sooner you realize this the sooner you will understand this thread. The bunny who has "faith" that the puzzle is a picture of a duck is wrong. The bunny who has no faith and instead looks at the evidence finds the truth.



A perfect description of young earth creationists.

I guess I see something different here... I see the bunny who has faith, as myself.. and that the entire puzzle that he is looking at is only one small piece of a much larger puzzle that we don't have all the informaiton about as of yet. I can see that science and evolution are both with in God. God is the larger puzzle.

Is my understanding wrong?

 

[driewerf]

The idea of you "listening to my reasons" for knowing the Truth is just plain silly.

Hola!
So, to use our brains is wrong? While it is just our braininess that distinguishe us from other animals, we shouldn't be using it!

Way to say that we our not allowed to think about christianity's teachings... because what? Are you affraid that when we think about we see how stupid it is?

 

[Loudmouth]

I guess I see something different here... I see the bunny who has faith, as myself.. and that the entire puzzle that he is looking at is only one small piece of a much larger puzzle that we don't have all the informaiton about as of yet.

Did you see the last frame of the comic? The entire puzzle, but for one piece, was in place. The bunny with faith still said that it was a duck even though the evidence said otherwise. It doesn't require faith to believe that the puzzle had Winnie the Pooh and Tigger. You can LOOK and see for yourself that it has those two characteris, no faith required. It is those that ignore the evidence and rely on faith that are represented by the bunny that says "It's a duck". Those bunnies are creationists. Just look at AV. He tells the evidence to take a hike. That is faith.

 

[Archer93]

You also need it to have happened before it can be deemed miraculous.

A friend of mine jumped naked out of a plane at 10,000ft, when he landed he was wearing the full dress uniform of the Grenadier Guards, it was so impossible we deemed it to be miraculous, of course you will have to take my word that it even happen, but it did honestly.
Does that incident now qualify as a 'Miracle'?

IF it happened, then yes.
But I'd need more than one person's say-so before I believe it.
Ditto for the walking on water or rising from the dead stories.
All I'm saying is that, assuming it happened, it would take science being able to say "This is impossible" before something could be considered to be a miracle.

 

[Reine]

Did you see the last frame of the comic? The entire puzzle, but for one piece, was in place. The bunny with faith still said that it was a duck even though the evidence said otherwise. It doesn't require faith to believe that the puzzle had Winnie the Pooh and Tigger. You can LOOK and see for yourself that it has those two characteris, no faith required. It is those that ignore the evidence and rely on faith that are represented by the bunny that says "It's a duck". Those bunnies are creationists. Just look at AV. He tells the evidence to take a hike. That is faith.

I am not too sure what a true creationist beleives, or what the opposition beleives. I think most people are a mxture like I am. My friend RickG is a Christian and a scientist and he beleives in evolution. I think evolution is also correct, but just one piece of a much larger puzzle that God is behind. I posted the picuture above to demonstrate how there can be picutures within picutres. Here is another one:

If someone mad an entire puzzle out of just one portion of this picture... it may lookk like someone's eye. If another puzzle was made from another portion it may look like lips, and yet another one would only look like trees and sky. When you put the all the puzzles together, it becomes a face or trees and clouds. Do you see both are correct? I am suggesting that the bunny that was moving on faith could also see the begining of a much larger picture that science is a part of, as I do.

 

[Tiberius]

But the bunny who claimed the picture was of a duck was wrong. He was given information (the picture on the puzzle is a duck) and and he refused to look at all the evidence that showed that this information was wrong.

You can't try to fit the duck in there. You can't say, "Well, Pooh bear and Tigger were talking about the duck, so I am right!"

 

[Reine]

But the bunny who claimed the picture was of a duck was wrong. He was given information (the picture on the puzzle is a duck) and and he refused to look at all the evidence that showed that this information was wrong.

You can't try to fit the duck in there. You can't say, "Well, Pooh bear and Tigger were talking about the duck, so I am right!"

I'm not sure if you are talking to me... but it seems like you are so I will try to answer.. I see a different picture that is much larger that one puzzle. The puzzle I see does not ever end, it is infinite and has infinite picutures in it. As these different puzzles are added to the picture, the picture changes, and a more true picture is seen that could not be seen when only looing at the one small puzzle. It is the same as looking only at the eye in the above picture that I posted. If that is all the information you have, you could only see an eye, but as more information is added and more puzzles the bigger picture begins to become apparent, though some will say they only see an eye.

 

[Tiberius]

Then you'll spend a long time looking for extra puzzle pieces that aren't there.

This is how your logic applies to the OP.

Puzzle is finished. There is no duck

Atheist bunny: There you go. Each piece has been used, and the puzzle is complete. There's no duck.

Creationist bunny: There's more puzzle pieces.

Atheist bunny: Where? There's no more pieces. There's nothing to suggest there are more pieces. Why do you think there are more pieces?

Creationist bunny: That's the only way we can have a duck. If there are more pieces. So there must be more pieces.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then you'll spend a long time looking for extra puzzle pieces that aren't there.

This is how your logic applies to the OP.

Puzzle is finished. There is no duck

Atheist bunny: There you go. Each piece has been used, and the puzzle is complete. There's no duck.

Creationist bunny: There's more puzzle pieces.

Atheist bunny: Where? There's no more pieces. There's nothing to suggest there are more pieces. Why do you think there are more pieces?

Creationist bunny: That's the only way we can have a duck. If there are more pieces. So there must be more pieces.

I know I said I was leaving this thread, but I feel compelled to repeat myself here.

The problem with this analogy is that the duck and the tiger are so completely different as to render its point nebulous.

In short, it is melodramatic and overstating itself.

We are made in God's image and likeness, and this puzzle is literally comparing ducks to tigers & bears.

Even science says chimps are something like 95% like humans, DNA-wise.

This, of course, points to a common designer, not a common ancestor.

 

[Chris81]

Give the bunny a break dude! Winnie the Poo is close enough to a duck from my perspective.

 

[Reine]

Then you'll spend a long time looking for extra puzzle pieces that aren't there.

This is how your logic applies to the OP.

Puzzle is finished. There is no duck

Atheist bunny: There you go. Each piece has been used, and the puzzle is complete. There's no duck.

Creationist bunny: There's more puzzle pieces.

Atheist bunny: Where? There's no more pieces. There's nothing to suggest there are more pieces. Why do you think there are more pieces?

Creationist bunny: That's the only way we can have a duck. If there are more pieces. So there must be more pieces.

You should perhaps rethink that. Of course there are many more puzzles, and more pieces than we will ever find in our life times. You don't really think that we know everything about everything already do you? There is no serious scientist in the world that would ever say all the peices to the unknown have been found.