I'm tired of giving religionists a pass

[Jazer]

Also moon water and comet water is not the same as earth water.

I was just reading about how there is light and heavy hydrogen so water is different depending on where it comes from.

Researchers are still in a quandry over how our beautifull planet, so ordinary as they say, got all this water and managed to keep it.

My understanding of the ice core samples in Greenland is that there has been a wild swing of up to 15 degrees difference in world temps. Yet the amount of water on earth has remained consistent. Although the samples tend to only go back 800,000 years.

There is water under the ground. That would turn to a vapor and if exposed to enough heat from the core of the earth. Yet the atmosphere or what the Bible calls firmament would hold the water from drifting off into space.

The Bible is always right though. I use to wonder about the bottomless pit. According to the traditional law of gravity the pit had to have a bottom. We now know that there is zero gravity at the center of the earth so there could very well be a bottomless pit. The temperatures in the center of the earth would melt all known materials so nothing would remain the same.

Science helps us understand our Bible, our Bible helps us understand science.

 

[dad]

The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak - YouTube

So is there any life that science created on the video? No. Can yo make a sheep? No. Can you make a woman? No. Pretty lame. What, you have living intelligent men tinker with created stuff, and get some little sweet nothing you think is 'life'??

 

[AV1611VET]

Here we go with the semantic games again.

Just addressing the post with the OP's term:

For far too long religionists have been given a pass.

 

[AV1611VET]

and this is exactly what I'm talking about. "the life" with no evidence that "the life" exists or is real.

Where's your evidence that it wasn't real?

We're both in the same boat, aren't we?

Except your side of the boat has life coming from non-life; something that would be infinitely harder, if not outright impossible.

 

[Kazenoryu]

Where's your evidence that it wasn't real?

We're both in the same boat, aren't we?

Uh, no. Hardly in the same boat. I'm in an aircraft carrier, while you're out somewhere in the Pacific with a raft. Science has heavy amounts of evidence to support evolutionary theory and even has had tests that showed abiogenesis as something that could have happened at some point, you play an extra card and claim that it is also science's job to disprove that which is by definition unprovable.

You give no reasonable explanation for the existence of God yet assert over and over that He MUST be there and nothing anyone says can make you think otherwise. How this doesn't strike you as intellectually devoid is beyond me. I mean, I personally believe in the Cloud Hopping Bunny who created your god capable of creating life. Now where's your evidence to disprove it? See what I did there?

Except your side of the boat has life coming from non-life; something that would be infinitely harder, if not outright impossible.

But when you have an infinite number of worlds over 14 billion years (infinite in comparison to our lifetimes) the infinitely hard simply becomes inevitable.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science has heavy amounts of evidence to support evolutionary theory and even has had tests that showed abiogenesis as something that could have happened at some point...

Scientists can run tests that 'could have showed' anything.

Evidently these tests are inconclusive, or some scientist(s) somewhere would be rich and famous.

... you play an extra card and claim that it is also science's job to disprove that which is by definition unprovable.

What?

You give no reasonable explanation for the existence of God yet assert over and over that He MUST be there and nothing anyone says can make you think otherwise.

Excuse me, newbie, do you happen to see my post count?

Here is evidence I have given for the existence of God over the past 2,000,000+ posts:

1. Israel's existence
2. The Bible's preservation
3. Time split into B.C./A.D.
4. Atheists' attitudes towards Christians and Christianity

You may disagree with them, and even say they aren't valid evidence; but you can't say I don't give any reasons for the existence of God, newbie, and expect me to agree.

 

[Kazenoryu]

Scientists can run tests that 'could have showed' anything.

Evidently these tests are inconclusive, or some scientist(s) somewhere would be rich and famous.

It's called the Nobel Prize a million dollar prize for achievements in science (amongst other fields). You don't get it in science without demonstrable proof.

What?

Exactly. Your charge is non-sensical and ill formed. It is always the responsibility of the one making the positive claim to provide proof. Otherwise the invisible unicorn on my desk is true until you prove otherwise.

Excuse me, newbie, do you happen to see my post count?

Here is evidence I have given for the existence of God over the past 2,000,000+ posts:

How about instead of making attacks at my lack of tenure here, actually address what I'm saying.

Israel's existence

Proof that an ancient tribe managed to survive from antiquity. Well, not really. They kinda had to reform post WW2. You'd be better choosing pygmy tribes in Africa for support.

The Bible's existence

Proof that someone (we have no real proof who,) knew how to write.

Time split into B.C./A.D.

How is this proof of God? No, it's proof of a widely agreed upon significant point in history as being a world changing event. It could have just as easily and arbitrarily been chosen that the current era began as of the renaissance or the fall of the Roman Empire.

Atheists' attitudes towards Christians and Christianity

Hardly proof of God's existence any more than Cristian missionaries' lack of respect for the beliefs of indigenous tribes in Africa or South America proving their gods.

You may disagree with them, and even say they aren't valid evidence; but you can't say I don't give any reasons for the existence of God, newbie, and expect me to agree.

I do disagree, and I do claim you have given no reasons for the existence of God. I want something demonstrable that there is a god of some sort out there listening to us and who cares about us. Demonstrable like gravity or the effects of fire cooking meat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is evidence I have given for the existence of God over the past 2,000,000+ posts:

Proof that an ancient tribe managed to survive from antiquity.

Proof that someone (we have no real proof who,) knew how to write.

How is this proof of God?

Hardly proof of God's existence any more than Cristian missionaries' lack of respect for the beliefs of indigenous tribes in Africa or South America proving their gods.

Hang up the Arab phone, newbie -- how did 'evidence' suddenly change to 'proof'?

I do disagree, and I do claim you have given no reasons for the existence of God. I want something demonstrable that there is a god of some sort out there listening to us and who cares about us. Demonstrable like gravity or the effects of fire cooking meat.

Are you Beastt?

 

[Delphiki]

So is there any life that science created on the video? No. Can yo make a sheep? No. Can you make a woman? No. Pretty lame. What, you have living intelligent men tinker with created stuff, and get some little sweet nothing you think is 'life'??

You clearly didn't watch the video. You're making one of the arguments in the video that it explains is a really stupid argument.

Is it impossible to get to the moon because the Wright brothers didn't?

How about you quit trolling and either try to learn something or leave?

 

[Kazenoryu]

Hang up the Arab phone, newbie -- how did 'evidence' suddenly change to 'proof'?

Semantics. Address the content. Show how what I said was invalid, or admit that my explanations are just as valid as "God did it"

Are you Beastt?

Beastt? as in a beast or the beast? Either way, I fail to see how either claiming someone is subhuman or the antichrist could possibly further the conversation intellectually.

 

[Phred]

Where's your evidence that it wasn't real?

We're both in the same boat, aren't we?

Except your side of the boat has life coming from non-life; something that would be infinitely harder, if not outright impossible.

Then your god can't exist.

 

[Phred]

Here is evidence I have given for the existence of God over the past 2,000,000+ posts:

1. Israel's existence
2. The Bible's preservation
3. Time split into B.C./A.D.
4. Atheists' attitudes towards Christians and Christianity

You may disagree with them, and even say they aren't valid evidence; but you can't say I don't give any reasons for the existence of God, newbie, and expect me to agree.

Man named that country "Israel". Could have been named anything. Anything at all. But men decided to call it "Israel". Not God, not gods. Men. Doesn't prove anything at all. It just shows men like to tie themselves into history.

The Koran has been preserved as well. So have cave paintings in France for ten times as long. And don't forget that men decided what books to include in the canon from among so many choices. They chose what was in existence about 600 years ago. Not so surprising they didn't choose what wasn't in existence... is it? Then they sought out and destroyed any texts from that time that they didn't include. Like the Gospel according to Thomas where Jesus is like a little nymph flitting around Joseph's carpentry shop and helping him by magically lengthening boards that he cut too short. Yeah, some made it through. Despite the best efforts of Christianity by doing things like burning down the library at Alexandria. It's not amazing, it doesn't require a god. But if you wish to offer this up as evidence... HOW did your god do it? By what method?

Time doesn't split at all. Time is just marching on. Man split the calendar at an arbitrary point. Nothing special there. The church was in charge of most things back then and they chose the most important date to THEM. Jesus' birth. Then they forgot year 0. No evidence of god there.

Atheists attitude toward Christians and Christianity? Really? That's evidence that god exists? A being that could create the universe in all it's intricate complexity and the best you can come up with is that some atheists cop an attitude toward people that are constantly telling them they're going to hell? Every single time a Christian gives me that look like, "You don't believe in God? You're pond scum." I get that way too. Because you do believe in god. And that's just silly. Anyone who takes the time to study what mankind has done over the centuries can't help but wonder. If you say you're absolutely certain you're either lying, stupid, insane or you're just refusing to admit doubt in front of an atheist.

With all the prime ideas put forth by men over the centuries for why god must exist this is what you bring to the table?

Sad.

 

[TomZzyzx]

Man named that country "Israel". Could have been named anything. Anything at all. But men decided to call it "Israel". Not God, not gods. Men. Doesn't prove anything at all. It just shows men like to tie themselves into history.

The Koran has been preserved as well. So have cave paintings in France for ten times as long. And don't forget that men decided what books to include in the canon from among so many choices. They chose what was in existence about 600 years ago. Not so surprising they didn't choose what wasn't in existence... is it? Then they sought out and destroyed any texts from that time that they didn't include. Like the Gospel according to Thomas where Jesus is like a little nymph flitting around Joseph's carpentry shop and helping him by magically lengthening boards that he cut too short. Yeah, some made it through. Despite the best efforts of Christianity by doing things like burning down the library at Alexandria. It's not amazing, it doesn't require a god. But if you wish to offer this up as evidence... HOW did your god do it? By what method?

Time doesn't split at all. Time is just marching on. Man split the calendar at an arbitrary point. Nothing special there. The church was in charge of most things back then and they chose the most important date to THEM. Jesus' birth. Then they forgot year 0. No evidence of god there.

Atheists attitude toward Christians and Christianity? Really? That's evidence that god exists? A being that could create the universe in all it's intricate complexity and the best you can come up with is that some atheists cop an attitude toward people that are constantly telling them they're going to hell? Every single time a Christian gives me that look like, "You don't believe in God? You're pond scum." I get that way too. Because you do believe in god. And that's just silly. Anyone who takes the time to study what mankind has done over the centuries can't help but wonder. If you say you're absolutely certain you're either lying, stupid, insane or you're just refusing to admit doubt in front of an atheist.

With all the prime ideas put forth by men over the centuries for why god must exist this is what you bring to the table?

Sad.

Hey Phred, don't speak so nice about Christians. Your Atheist buddies will think you've gone soft, that your giving us a free pass. Why do you ask "HOW did your god do it"? You know our answer, He created the universe, but there isn't any proof you would accept, is there? Atheist can't give Christians any proof for, how the universe came into being out of nothing, how life came from non life and how one species evolved into a completely different species. We would like proof not someone's idea of how it might of happened. If you say your absolutely certain it happened you're either lying, stupid, insane or... no that's all.

 

[Jazer]

Despite the best efforts of Christianity by doing things like burning down the library at Alexandria.

What? Where did that come from? The library was burned down almost 100 years before Christianity. They actually sold the library off before they burned it down. At least they sold whatever they could get money for to pay off their war debt. Then they "accidentally" burned it to cover what they had done.

Of course before the Egyptians they did not write on paper, they wrote on clay, so a fire would not do as much damage then. Even it is believed that a lot of the information that Moses recorded in the Bible came from clay tablets.

 

[plindboe]

I've always suspected that atheists deliberately join religious forums just to complain about religion.

Put a "some" in there, and I will agree.

I can't imagine a theist joining an atheist forum and writing "I'm so sick of these heathens poisoning our children's minds!" and not getting banned.

I suggest you try out some atheist forums then, or any forum really, because christians complaining about atheists are a rather common phenonemon. In my experience atheist and skeptic forums tend to be rather permissive, so it usually takes alot to get yourself banned.

Peter

 

[AV1611VET]

I suggest you try out some atheist forums then, or any forum really, because christians complaining about atheists are a rather common phenonemon. In my experience atheist and skeptic forums tend to be rather permissive, so it usually takes alot to get yourself banned.

What if I went to one of those and presented my apple challenge?

 

[Kazenoryu]

What if I went to one of those and presented my apple challenge?

You'd probably start by getting laughed off by starting with the faulty premise of creating something ex nihilo. Hypotheticals need to start off with a scenario hat is actually plausible in the first place.

 

[cupid dave]

I do not agree.

So when discussing the Big Bang you cannot say that "perhaps God created it."
You cannot just say that "God is self-existing" when asked where God came from.

There is no proof or evidence other than you THINK so.

I wouldn't accept this kind of logic from a six-year old.

How is what these relgious people say different than what the philosophers call The First Cause?

How is what these relgious people say a diferent "kind of logic from a six-year old" who cites philosophy???

 

[plindboe]

What if I went to one of those and presented my apple challenge?

Give it a go: Religion and Philosophy - JREF Forum

Peter

 

[gaara4158]

What if I went to one of those and presented my apple challenge?

Not even close to enough to get you banned. If anything you'd be dismissed as a troll after enough time, but not banned. It's people like David Mabus who end up getting banned in atheist forums. You have to be inflammatory, unresponsive and consistently illogical so that what you write is effectively spam.

See for yourself: The Arrogant Atheist Forum - All Discussions