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Another poor response to ERV evidence for common ancestry by a creationist.

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Nope. Physics is how things behave in this UNIVERSE. ...
Nope. Physics is earth based ics. They superimpose that on what they think is the distant universe. Childish really. Especially how they demand to be called clever for the effort.
 
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Also, for the record, a supernova is the explosion of a super-massive star.
I don't believe you! To be massive it needs to be as far as you imagine. For that to happen space must extend from earth to the star as we know space on earth. You do not know that. All is lost for you.
 
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Unless you can prove that they were not, you are just spewing sophism.
False! The records state that they were not. If anyone claims science for a claim that they were a certain way, now is the time to show and tell! But I know that science doesn't know. That leaves you in a real pickle.
 
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I don't believe you! To be massive it needs to be as far as you imagine. For that to happen space must extend from earth to the star as we know space on earth. You do not know that. All is lost for you.

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Hubble Video: Supernova 1987A Observed by Hubble from 1994 - 2006 - YouTube

You are doubting supernovas, and the existence of space itself now? Sweet Aldur...
 
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No. I do not doubt some event that we call a super nova happened. However, it is nothing like what you claim. What is actually known about it?

Supernova are caused by the slowing of hydrogen fusion in stars. As hydrogen fusion slows, the star contracts, providing enough heat to begin helium fusion. And so the cycle repeats through carbon, neon, oxygen and silicon. Since energy loss through neutrino byproducts is significant in all stages from carbon on, each stage is shorter than the last due to a higher reaction rate to maintain equilibrium. Eventually, the star begins producing iron. Iron fusion does not produce positive net energy, so a core of iron, under immense pressure, begins to develop.

It continues until it reaches the Chandraesekhar limit, at which point inward pressure outweighs outward pressure from electron degeneracy and the star catastrophically collapses. Since matter cannot all fit into the same space, it heats up, causing more reactions as it collapses, and then it gets exploded outwards.

But I'm sure we'll get that habitual "but we don't really know" or yours. Which is true. And the world could have been magicked into existence by My Little Pony(TM) last Thursday, or we could utilize our brains and common sense and not accept your appeals to Omphalos hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Supernova are caused by the slowing of hydrogen fusion in stars.

Prove it!
As hydrogen fusion slows, the star contracts, providing enough heat to begin helium fusion. And so the cycle repeats through carbon, neon, oxygen and silicon. Since energy loss through neutrino byproducts is significant in all stages from carbon on, each stage is shorter than the last due to a higher reaction rate to maintain equilibrium. Eventually, the star begins producing iron. Iron fusion does not produce positive net energy, so a core of iron, under immense pressure, begins to develop.
Big story. Proof?
It continues until it reaches the Chandraesekhar limit, at which point inward pressure outweighs outward pressure from electron degeneracy and the star catastrophically collapses. Since matter cannot all fit into the same space, it heats up, causing more reactions as it collapses, and then it gets exploded outwards.
Nonsense. You merely recite the earth based standard model belief based fables. Try and support it, and behold what we may see here....

But I'm sure we'll get that habitual "but we don't really know" or yours. Which is true.
Ah, so you admit not knowing. Fine. Start talking and acting like it.

And the world could have been magicked into existence by My Little Pony(TM) last Thursday, or we could utilize our brains and common sense and not accept your appeals to Omphalos hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blather. Just because we can't accept your baseless fables is no reason to deny reality. Work on that. Some things we do know.
 
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Prove it!
Big story. Proof?
Nonsense. You merely recite the earth based standard model belief based fables. Try and support it, and behold what we may see here....


Ah, so you admit not knowing. Fine. Start talking and acting like it.


Blather. Just because we can't accept your baseless fables is no reason to deny reality. Work on that. Some things we do know.

I'm educated. I actually know the physics behind what I am saying, unlike some. You do realize that incessantly howling "prove it!" to everything just makes you look ignorant, right?

But I'll indulge you this time.

1996A&A...306..167J Page 167
 
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I'm educated. I actually know the physics behind what I am saying, unlike some. You do realize that incessantly howling "prove it!" to everything just makes you look ignorant, right?

But I'll indulge you this time.

1996A&A...306..167J Page 167
Your article says that the investigation is by simulations in the first few sentences!

Do you realize that means earth based law assumptions and beliefs? You must be kidding! Now stop spamming big blathering empty and silly links and try not to look ignorant.
 
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Your article says that the investigation is by simulations in the first few sentences!

*pitying glance*

Yes, dad, I do. Unlike you I understand that this doesn't invalidate it.

arth based law assumptions and beliefs? You must be kidding! Now stop spamming big blathering empty and silly links and try not to look ignorant.

Flaming dad, is against the rules. I realize you are in over your head and may not be scientifically literate, but do try and keep your behavior adult. :yawn1:
 
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How do you link to youtube videos without embedding them? :scratch:

Firefox was being tiresome last night and refused to let me right click the URL, so I had to click the "Share" button under the video and copy the worthless share link that doesn't auto-embed the video.
 
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*pitying glance*

Yes, dad, I do. Unlike you I understand that this doesn't invalidate it.
Wrong. Those that offer 'simulation' must show what they are based on. We know that in this case...present state having existed in the past belief. Nothing more.
 
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Since dad has been incapable of showing how any law has changed in a way that would negate the ERV evidence then there is nothing left to talk about in that vein. Anyone else have a rebuttal to the ERV argument that doesn't involve Last Thursdayism?
False. You have not shown that present state life processes and laws applied as they would have to, to give life to your fantasy claims. Therefore, we may assume that, like long lives, and fast growing trees, etc etc...the transfer of viri (or their ancestor, as the case may be) was not in any way we know now.

That kills your case something fierce. The only recourse I can see for folks denying their defeat and having no substance or facts that they can discuss honestly, is to resort to the ignore button:) Come on back up anytime you need a fresh one.
 
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Firefox was being tiresome last night and refused to let me right click the URL, so I had to click the "Share" button under the video and copy the worthless share link that doesn't auto-embed the video.
No worries: a worthless share feature for a worthless video. Fitting.
 
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False. You have not shown that present state life processes and laws applied as they would have to, to give life to your fantasy claims.

Which life processes and laws are you talking about? Be specific. Please show which ones would need to change so that retroviruses no longer replicated by life could have. Also show us evidence that they were in fact different. Until you do so there is no reason to take you seriously.

We observe that laws do not change through either time nor space. This is the observation. If you want to challenge these observations then you need to supply your own observations.
 
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