Holiness

[bugkiller]

Hey this is a pretty interesting thread. I'm surprised at how tame it is. Looking around GT has changed in the last year.

It appears my old friends are doing a great job.

bugkiller

 

[11822]

The whole Gospel spoken in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth tickles my ears.

 

[Frogster]

The whole Gospel spoken in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth tickles my ears.

acts 20;24, it is called a gospel of grace, not law...

be blessed.

 

[Frogster]

Hey this is a pretty interesting thread. I'm surprised at how tame it is. Looking around GT has changed in the last year.

It appears my old friends are doing a great job.

bugkiller

Heyyyy..good to see ya!

 

[11822]

acts 20;24, it is called a gospel of grace, not law...

be blessed.

I see much of the NT doctrine is found also in some of the law. Paul did say its good and holy. He did say we establish the Law, he did say for love we obey the law. The law is helpful in showing us our sin and our need for a Savior, and in understanding holiness and love. I like Gods law.

 

[Frogster]

I see much of the NT doctrine is found also in some of the law. Paul did say its good and holy. He did say we establish the Law, he did say for love we obey the law. The law is helpful in showing us our sin and our need for a Savior, and in understanding holiness and love. I like Gods law.

establish the law? he used it to condemn for 3 chapters, so contextually, if you want it established, then we are condemned, lets use the verse the way he did.

 

[11822]

establish the law? he used it to condemn for 3 chapters, so contextually, if you want it established, then we are condemned, lets use the verse the way he did.

What is Love and holiness except something that was already found in the law? God still requires us to be holy and to love each other and Himself. I like to look at it like we should obey the law as given by Jesus and the apostles. They speak a great deal about salvation by faith alone, but they also teach us a lot about Gods will and abstaining from all forms of evil. Without teaching those things with grace we risk having Christians walking after the lust of their own flesh instead of after holiness and in the Spirit. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

 

[Frogster]

What is Love and holiness except something that was already found in the law? God still requires us to be holy and to love each other and Himself. I like to look at it like we should obey the law as given by the apostles. They speak a great deal about salvation by faith alone, but they also teach us a lot about Gods will and abstaining from all forms of evil. Without teaching those things with grace we risk having Christians walking after the lust of their own flesh instead of after holiness and in the Spirit. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

well...just don't look at it to long, it will bind the conscience, whereby you will become sin centered, instead of being cleansed by the blood, according to hebrews, of a guilty conscience, we are not to walk around all gloomed out in guilt. it does not do anything, but produce defeat.

 

[11822]

well...just don't look at it to long, it will bind the conscience, whereby you will become sin centered, instead of being cleansed by the blood, according to hebrews, of a guilty conscience, we are not to walk around all gloomed out in guilt. it does not do anything, but produce defeat.

I also look at warnings Jesus and the apostles Gave us about being doers of the word and not just hearers of it, and about how some will call Him lord but he will reject them. I'm just trying to work out my own salvation in fear and trembling like the apostles us tell to, and also to seek to perfect holiness in the fear of God.

 

[Frogster]

What is Love and holiness except something that was already found in the law? God still requires us to be holy and to love each other and Himself. I like to look at it like we should obey the law as given by Jesus and the apostles. They speak a great deal about salvation by faith alone, but they also teach us a lot about Gods will and abstaining from all forms of evil. Without teaching those things with grace we risk having Christians walking after the lust of their own flesh instead of after holiness and in the Spirit. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

remember the other day how good u felt, when you were experiencing grace, while we talked about hebrews?

what base should we live outta, guilt, or power?

 

[Frogster]

I also look at warnings Jesus and the apostles Gave us about being doers of the word and not just hearers of it, and about how some will call Him lord but he will reject them. I'm just trying to work out my own salvation in fear and trembling like the apostles us tell to, and also to seek to perfect holiness in the fear of God.

i know...i know...but how long u gonna look at the same thing over and over again?, we know we put off the flesh, now if u just understood it is by faith, rom 6 will become your base, not staring at law, and sin in an endless cycle of guilt, repent, try harder, fall, feel guilty, try again, guilt, sin, fall, start all over againn...sin, guil....

 

[11822]

Some may think that the law has caused me to stumble in faith, but this is not so, i have stumbled over my own vanity and also all the contention over the law, but not the law itself, and spiritual warfare is not always easy, the closer we get to victory the more satan tries to deceive us and make us stumble, but i never stumbled in faith over looking closely at Gods will for us.

 

[Frogster]

Some may think that the law has caused me to stumble in faith, but this is not so, i have stumbled over my own vanity and also all the contention over the law, and spiritual warfare is not always easy, the closer we get to victory the more satan tries to deceive us and make us stumble, but i never stumbled in faith over looking closely at Gods will for us.

in other words, you seem to be stuck staring at one elemental truth, yes, we don't want to sin, but you don't seem to be interested in the heart and sould of the teaching on the HOW of it all.

 

[11822]

And if we see our own sin because of the law, grace will abound even more. I'm done now

 

[11822]

in other words, you seem to be stuck staring at one elemental truth, yes, we don't want to sin, but you don't seem to be interested in the heart and sould of the teaching on the HOW of it all.

I see it as the fundamental truth yes, but that truth is the only way, its the narrow road, it marked by rest stops of grace and walked in faith, but its paved with obedience to Gods will, its sometime rocky and narrow for sure, but if we're not following His will we are on the wrong road.

 

[11822]

Its my Job to know what road i'm on and to walk it, the heart is Gods Job.

 

[cubinity]

I like when others own their particular theology as their own and just apply it to themselves. I am more incline to believe and be inspired by those statements than by attempts to universalize what thry believe is right.

 

[Nanopants]

I like when others own their particular theology as their own and just apply it to themselves. I am more incline to believe and be inspired by those statements than by attempts to universalize what thry believe is right.

In trivial things, I can respect that. Nonetheless, there is only one true way.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father... (John 14:9)

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (Mat 16:24)

 

[from scratch]

Some may think that the law has caused me to stumble in faith, but this is not so, i have stumbled over my own vanity and also all the contention over the law, but not the law itself, and spiritual warfare is not always easy, the closer we get to victory the more satan tries to deceive us and make us stumble, but i never stumbled in faith over looking closely at Gods will for us.

Jesus makes you the same offer he made to those hearing these words - Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

You wish to not trust us so try ant take Jesus at His word. And quit listening to that manipulator form the bully pulpit. Chances are he has no clue what he's spouting off. He's more than likely just repeating what he heard without examination and his life is running smooth and he won't examine anything till a problem comes. After it is working (going my way, why rock the boat). The time to find answers is before trouble comes knocking. When you're prepared it rarely seems to come knocking.

 

[from scratch]

I see it as the fundamental truth yes, but that truth is the only way, its the narrow road, it marked by rest stops of grace and walked in faith, but its paved with obedience to Gods will, its sometime rocky and narrow for sure, but if we're not following His will we are on the wrong road.

Essentially you're saying as long as things are difficult I'm right and doing good.

Have you ever read Footprints in the Sand?

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.

In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there was one only.

This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord,

“You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why, when I needed you most, have you not been there for me?”

The Lord replied, “The years when you have seen only one set of footprints, my child, is when I carried you.”

There are a few versions out. This one is the 1936 version. Forgot to get the name of the author, sorry. You can google it if you like. It is a very worthy article for reflection and consideration.​