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Do you fear God
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Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
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Yes, I fear God. I do not doubt His intentions, or His love, but I do fear to anger Him.
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11822 - I firmly believe the letter of first John was written after the book of acts . and perhaps there was something to what Peter said about being established in "the present truth" back then .
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I think you may have misunderstood that verse from Peter. Nothing that the apostles wrote has ever changed in truth, its just as true today as yesterday. Their words are all true and in harmony, their words never rule each other out.
Peter also says this...
1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward
1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Perhaps the problem is that none of us have perfect love or that love only casts out unhealthy fear but leaves Godly fear. I'm not sure about all that but i'm positive that fearing God is wise.
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The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, Abba, Father. (Romans 8:15)
I disagree, i am a son, not a slave, the slave covenant is over . Perfect love casts out all fear . and we become as He is in this world .
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We're both slaves to Jesus Christ and His brother, we're both servants of God and Sons of God.
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I don't believe that . if the bible says i am not a slave . then i am not a slave . but some of what you say is addressed by the prodigal son parable . many ask to be slaves . but God doesn't make slaves in this covenant . he makes us his children sharing in the inheritance of the elder son .
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The elder son was Israel, and now the Elder son is the Jesus gathering, but God is always generous when we might think he's not .
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So do i fear God? no .
Why not? because He doesn't want me to fear him . no point in being disobedient .
Why not? because He doesn't want me to fear him . no point in being disobedient .
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That may be good for you but how can you speak for me? Maybe God wants me to fear living in sin so i will forsake it and follow after holiness.
You boundaries or mine?
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Well reading the syntax of that sentence, i appeared to be speaking for myself in relation to the OP .
in my interpretation of the data, fearing God is being disobedient . in your interpretation it is not . so may the fruit speak for itself . and may we both learn from observing it coming to fruition in our lives .
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What do you mean by "let the fruit Speak for itself? Isn't love and holiness the Good fruit?
2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
So how is fear all bad? How is fear being disobedient when it tells me to perfect holiness in the fear of God?
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Perhaps fear is mistranslated . i'll look into that . perhaps scholars need to re-examine all the words surrounding the judgment . not just "hell"
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Or perhaps we should hold on to the promise of salvation by hoping in Jesus, walking by faith and not sight, by seeking forgiveness of our sins and resting in Gods loving mercy. And having this promise of salvation we should seek to perfect holiness in the fear of God. Not sowing to the flesh but the spirit instead, by forsaking the works of the flesh and walking in the spirit instead. Praying continually that God help us, all the while resting in His grace and never giving up Hope in our Lord Jesus. He is our Lord and we are His servants. If Jesus were only my brother i would call Him brother, but Hes also my Master so i call Him Lord and Master.
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That's a very jam packed doctrinal statement, what i find missing from it is "one who fears is not made perfect in love"
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That's because you seem to be prooftexting. One verse cannot rule out a multitude of sound doctrine, even though its true it does;'t make the rest of the doctrine a lie. Like i said maybe we all lack Perfect Love and this why we should fear sometimes but also allow the Holy Spirit who tells us we are sons of god to cast out that fear. I don't know for sure about that, but im sure that what i believe about holiness and fearing sin is not false because its throughout the new testament, and that one lone verse you keep reciting stands alone and we fail to understand its meaning i think.
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common fallacy . my observation does not agree with your doctrine so i am therefore prooftexting . but Jesus not only prooftexted he took passages completely out of context and made them truth standing on their own . much to learn from Jesus about reading the bible .
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I recall seeing this passage that says
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. (1 Corinthians 13:8-13)
Of the things that remain i do not read "holiness" and i do not read "fear" .
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. (1 Corinthians 13:8-13)
Of the things that remain i do not read "holiness" and i do not read "fear" .
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